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Beyond Human Consciousness – Delhi (India), 23 February 1977
And I already spoke on Kundalini yesterday for two hours. Those who want to hear My speech can arrange it with Mr. Rai and can come sometime and listen to it.
But today, after telling you about the three powers which govern our autonomous nervous system and the seven centres which look after all our autonomous behaviour, which are the milestones of our evolutionary different stages… The centres carry the symbols of deities who are responsible for our evolution, who have helped us to evolve by leading us, by giving us a leadership. The whole action has been sahaj.
As I have told you yesterday, ‘Sahaja’: ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’, born with you. In a seed, the complete map of the tree and all the trees that are coming in future is microscopically placed. In the same way, in our being, the complete map was placed. We have crossed quite a long distance to be human beings from the state of amoeba or even earlier.
Today I’m going to tell you about what lies around the normal human consciousness.
We have to understand man in his complete totality. It is very necessary to know all that is unknown, because whatever that is unknown is not Divine. We should not mistake everything that is unknown as a Divine force. And to understand the complete totality of man you have to open your mind, listen to Me like a scientist would listen or understand a hypothesis, and later on if you are realized – if you are; that is a very big “if” with some people, with some people it is not – you all can testify, you can find out, but as a scientist you must have an open mind. If you are a fanatic, even if you are science-obsessed person, you cannot understand.
Science does not know anything of love; it does not know anything of religion. It does not know anything of incarnations. But it can be proved today that there exists a force which is the synthesis of all the forces that are working. And there exists the all-pervading power of Divine love. But for that, you have to be a subtler personality. With this gross human attention, you cannot realize it. You have to be a subtler being and to be that subtle being you are already blessed with a mechanism that works out this happening spontaneously. It is Sahaja, spontaneous, effortless. Somebody has to trigger it.
Yesterday I have told, quite elaborately, all the chakras and their names and their deities and all the three forces, but today I’m going to tell you what lies beyond these lines, beyond the human awareness. Is a subject of psychology, you can say, though psychology is such a child’s science and the knowledge is so limited because they are probing from outside. It’s an objective knowledge in the sense that you come from outside and see things. You grope at something and say, “This is this.” Then you grope at another thing and say, “This is this.” You have heard the story of six blind men trying to understand an elephant. As I told you yesterday that there can be a method by which you can put the light on and one can see clearly the complete, the total picture of man.
In this picture I’ve not been able to show that part but in the human mind, as you all know, there are different strata’s of consciousness. Now you are listening to Me, paying attention to Me, your Chitta is towards Me. This attention is the conscious mind. You know that you are conscious of what I’m speaking. Moment to moment you are listening to Me. This present moment now, at this moment, this moment as it is, it’s slipping, is becoming the past and the future is coming in you. Every moment is disappearing and a new moment is coming. You cannot stop the present; you cannot stop your attention at present. Now, to be at this moment, you cannot be, that’s the difficulty. You either think of the past or of the future, but you cannot think of the present, of this moment. So, we have our past and our future, in a simple work.
The past, they call it as subconscious mind. Subconscious mind, they call it as psyche sometimes. I don’t know what do they mean by psyche, they are so confused, but we have a subconscious strata, in which we store all that we collect, experiences, conditionings, everything. This work is done by the left-hand side channel, known as Ida Nadi, which is worked by the power of Mahakali. Now this word should not shock all the English knowing scientists. This Mahakali power works with storing of all the experiences, all the thoughts that are coming to you from the present into the past, is done by Mahakali power.
Thinking of the future, planning of the future, organizing the future is done by the right-hand side power of Mahasaraswati which acts through the Pingala channel. In the gross form they are expressed left and right sympathetic nervous systems. But for a doctor, both the systems act simultaneously. They are so interconnected that it is very difficult for them to verify two different functions which are allotted to them because the ways and methods are so gross.
The left side attends to our emotional being, the lower left side to our physical. We can say psychosomatic side. The right side – the lower to our physical being and the upper right side to our thinking. The center channel of Sushumna is a completely independent system which works out our sustenance.
In the beginning, when a person wants to drink, he wants, all the parasympathetic activities are performed through the subtle action of this channel known as Sushumna and the power that acts is known as Mahalakshmi. This power evolves us, it gives us Dharma, is a sustenance. The complete periodic table, if you have studied chemistry, is amazingly organized. The carbon is placed as a tetravalent element, with four hands just like a Ganesha. I do not want to go into the details of the periodic table but it is so well organized that every atom of every element has to have the last circle with eight protons. If there are less or if there are more than four, they either become the negative or the positive element. What a tremendous planning it is.
And when we say there is no God, we must understand such a tremendous planning could not have been achieved by just chance. It doesn’t work out by that law of chance. All right forget about God, because suddenly if you talk of God the scientists get a shock. But He exists and these are His three powers which perform these three actions in our being. By the first we build up our past, by the second we build up our future and by the center, the Sushumna Nadi we exist in the conscious mind.
The problem of future and past is created for human beings by a special method, as I told you yesterday, that this brain assumes a shape of a prism and that when these powers enter into the brain on both the sides they lose part of it. The one that enters from the right-hand side passes to the left-hand, losing something on the left-hand side. This one is the Mahakali power which loses outside, this one is the reaction to the past. You see someone, I see this gentleman, suddenly I remember of My past experiences with him. The whole past of him comes to Me through that part. And as a reaction I develop a superego, a conditioning in My brain, which I have shown on the other side like a balloon.
I’ll give you a simple example to understand the superego and the ego, how it develops in a little child. A child is nursed by the mother and he’s in complete joy, one with the mother, enjoying fully. Suddenly the mother removes the child from one side to another side, he doesn’t like it. The child doesn’t like and he puts down his foot there. That is the development of ego. He asserts himself. Ego develops gradually on the left side in the brain but comes forward.
When the child is then corrected by mother, she says, “Don’t do, don’t do like this”, he is conditioned. By that, he accepts it, and the superego as a reaction develops on the right-hand side of the brain from this side and covers it gradually, at the age of about twelve years because language is another way by which they are strengthened. And here, when they meet completely, a man is made into an egg, an articulation takes place, everyone develops a separate personality. He is Mr So-and-So, he is Mr So-and-So, he is Mr So-and-So and the misidentification starts. There are many misidentifications we suffer from; we call them ‘mythia’. We know they are myth, our name. I’ve known people, somebody’s name was Dharamdhar and he was the greatest adharmi ever born.
There are so many misidentifications. We are attached to our name. If somebody says that, “You Mr So-and-So, you are a very bad man”, one feels very hurt and bad you see, your anger comes up, “What do you say? This was ‘my’ name.” We are attached to so many misidentifications all our lives. The myths starts collecting and we become covered with so much of that misidentification. Our ego and superego completely overlap all our wisdom.
So the ego is created as a by-product I can say, or you can say by the over activity of the right hand side channel. The fumes of that activity, like in a factory you see, are collected in the ego. And the activity of the left hand side collects the superego. And that’s how you have ego and superego developed in your brain. So that is how the human being is.
He has got his Mahakali power which is looking after his subconscious activity, his Mahasaraswati power which is looking after the supra-conscious activity, and his Mahalakshmi power which is looking after the conscious activity. Now, there are regions which lie beyond this, about which we are not aware. On the left hand side, beyond the Mahakali region, lies the collective subconscious mind. The collective subconscious mind where all that is dead is collected, that is the collective subconscious. Beyond the Mahasaraswati channel, beyond this region, lies the collective supra-conscious mind. We are part of that also though we are not conscious of it. We are not conscious of it so we can call it as still unconscious to us.
Now, beyond the central path of Sushumna, beyond the conscious mind, lies the collective consciousness. That is the all-pervading consciousness which we know as Sat-Chit- Anand. It is all-pervading. Below the Mooladhara Chakra, which I have shown you there down below, lies the most fearful area of hell. It exists. It is there. We maybe not believe in it but it is there and it can be proved. In the collective subconscious, as I have told you, when we die we get into it, normally, not abnormally but normally.
Those people who have been extremely unhappy in life, who have been tortured and suppressed, who are being made very miserable and have a malice burning in their hearts, when they die they still have the vindictiveness and they want to make everyone else a miserable personality. They can’t see happiness around. Such people, even if when they die they linger along in this area, which is not gone into the collective subconscious. The collective subconscious receives a normal personality who has just accepted death as a transition. Actually, when we die we really do not die. Only part of us, the earth element drops down, and part of the water element also. But the rest of the elements that form this body, the different koshas plus the Kundalini that goes out and the Atma that rises, all that put together as soul you can call it, all that goes into the collective subconscious and starts going smaller and smaller, into the area of that collective subconscious, where it is to be placed for getting smaller and smaller.
But the people who die, as I told you, as the great sufferers with great desires and lust, very depraved and debased people, who indulge in alcoholism and drugs and sex, who make their life miserable, who are violent to themselves and not to others, who are not aggressive but are aggressed, who commit suicide, they do not go to the appointed place, they stick on around and some of them are really busybodies. They try to torture other souls. All the mental cases that you find in this world, suffer from the obsession or the possession by these entities. We call them as bhoot and pishacha. You may not believe it because people don’t believe in bhoots. You believe it or not but they exist. These people are not ambitious people but they are sly, they are mysterious but they are afraid. So they try to find out this type of people, they enter into the psyche of such people and they make them even worse. They make their lives miserable and they make such a person absolutely abnormal.
When the psychology starts treating such abnormal people they perhaps do not know what they are up to. The psychologists, when they get in contact with such abnormal people, they themselves are influenced or contaminated. They catch from these depraved and debased, lusty, sexy people, and they themselves become so abnormal. Because they seldom have any relationship with normal people then they start putting up theories absolutely abnormal. An abnormal personality is made as a normal personality and is made to be accepted by everyone. So they start with the theory that you should not suppress your desires, you should become very expressive and absolutely liberated as far as these desires are concerned. All right, go ahead. But they are not aware of the other side of the human beings that those who do like this can get into the other trap and can become egoistical. It starts as a trip of their ego then they become so egoistical that they forget what is saint, what is God, what is holiness. That is what has happened in the Western countries.
Perhaps maybe the war, in the war so many people were killed like that, they must have possessed these people. And such patients must have gone to these psychologists and these psychologists must have come out with these unique ideas of psyche being conditioned if you tell them about religion. Psyche is conditioned, no doubt. If you all the time tell the child, “Don’t do this, don’t do that”, the child gets conditioned, no doubt. If you discipline a person too much, he might get conditioned, no doubt. But if you are a model yourself, if the father and mother both are the models of goodness then the child accepts it without being conditioned. This is the central path of evolution.
That’s why I say that the family is the most important unit of every nation. All efforts must be done to retain the holiness, the respect and the greatness of marriage institution. That’s why all the incarnations have been married people. And even the Gurus, like Guru Nanak and all these people, have been married and have been leading a normal married life. You go to the West and you are surprised at the tomfoolery and the stupidity to which they are taking. You cannot believe how foolish they have become. We don’t have to learn anything from them in this respect. They have broken their families; they have divorced their wives. Alright, now women have divorced their husbands. Ten men divorcing ten women, marrying each other all the time, ending up in a atala [unsure-endlessness] and the children have taken to drugs. What a nice society.
The husband comes home the wife has disappeared, taking a divorce saying, “I didn’t like my husband, there was no compatibility.” And the psychologists are very nicely helping them to build up a society of chaos and the religion has been thrown to waste because they think it conditions people. It will if it is a false religion, if it is a suppression. For example Christianity never preached such things that these people are following. Christ never talked of sanyasa of any kind. He Himself was a great celibate born personality. He was an incarnation. But his Mother was married and He attended marriages. But the Roman Catholics started a suppressed type of institution where they preached complete celibacy.
Martin Luther came in, he said, “No, this is wrong, it should be spontaneous.” He was correct. At that point he was correct but he went wrong that he did not recognize Mother of Christ. That was the greatest mistake because from where do you get the sense of celibacy, from where do you get the sense of holiness, in what relationship – In the Mother and the Son. That’s how Christianity has gone to the dogs, in that country. As I told you yesterday, they are making a picture of sex of Jesus Christ. Can you imagine such a picture? Can you tolerate in this country?
So we have people who are teaching us who are actually possessed. Most of the psychologists are possessed and they deal only with abnormal people and they cannot normalize these ideas for the normal people. But by doing that they have created abnormal personalities and you can find all kinds of absurd things in that country. That a ninety year old woman having a love affair with a nineteen year old boy. Can you think of such a thing in this country? Is a common thing there. There is a law in England imagine and England is such a traditional place that a father cannot have bad relations with the daughter and that the mother cannot have with the son. A ‘law’, we don’t need a law like that. I mean we cannot have a law that you cannot eat the filth. You do not make law like that. I mean, human beings know that. But they have a law.
Now, the trouble is they are asking, imagine, thanks to the psychologists, they are asking that this law should be taken away so that they should be made free to do what they like in this respect. What do you say to this? You can’t believe it but it is so. There was a minister here, Mr Vidya Rao, he went to America and he gave Me a terrible experience when I was going to America. He said, “Don’t go there; they will never understand you, Mother. Please don’t go.” I said, “What happened?” He said, “I went down to see my daughter. She was away, living away from the main city, so I said, ‘I’ll stay over here with her.’ So the landlady said, ‘No you can’t do that with your father.’ She said, ‘What’?’ ‘No, no, he can’t stay. Any other man can stay but not your father.’ She said, ‘You can’t sleep with her.’ She gave her a big slap. But this man said such filth. Where they think doing so wee.” He cannot understand these things just now. They also never understood this thanks to these psychologists who never accepted…
Thank God we do not know so much of English to read that psychology of theirs. The way they are ruining these innocent people by their preaching! They are worse than all the horrible preachers ever known. With a very little knowledge of this Kundalini on the left hand side, they have ruined such a great place, such great people. So many saints are born in that America and England. Oh I weep to see all that. They are all ruined by these people, by telling them these stories which they call as freedom and disciplining their thoughts was conditioning. But disciplining through a model they could not understand.
Now, I will tell you how in our country also people have used these entities. We had the greatest saints and the greatest incarnations in this country, no doubt, I agree, but we have the greatest thugs also, the two extremes. On the other side also we have the supra-conscious people die. I’ll put them together and tell you all the various types of things they do. The people who are great planners and great sort of thinking all the time, “What am I going to do this, what am I going to do that” and they cannot fulfil their desires and they are sort of absolutely identified with their desires and very egoistical. They are power drunk about women also. They want to have many women around; women want to have many men around. All kinds of things you see, all these complicated types. They are not satisfied with one wife or one husband these sort of people, all abnormal. And also those who think that, like Napoleon you see, these kind of egoistical people who think no end of themselves and try to identify themselves with their false ambitions, like Hitler.
When they die, they go to the other side, on the right hand side, the supra-conscious. They are very dynamic people and they are the people who are very aggressive. They can also possess you. And you do not know how you get possessed by them. So there are two types of people: one the depraved and another, the aggressive. So the thugs, who are always waiting for an opportunity to learn, use these entities for their own purpose. You want Me to tell how they do it, that would be bit too much. They have a way, they work in the smashana [cemeteries] known as a bhoot vidya, smashana vidya, preta vidya, I know everything, but you need not know. They capture those entities and control them by controlling some of their parts of their bodies, especially the skull and all that.
We had one Ananda Margi you know that and more will be coming forward. You’ll see them one after, they’ll be exposed gradually.
So these people capture the entities in their power, some the supra-conscious and some the subconscious, and they try to capture the people through that. We have had, say, Ravana. Ravana had a capacity to hypnotize. All hypnosis, all what you call this ESP, all these extra things are done by these entities who can be bhoots, can be depraved, can be very bad.
In London there is an organization known as Late Doctor Lang’s International Curative Center. ‘Late’, he is dead. So the Curative Center is working. This Dr Lang, when he died, he had discovered something which he wanted that he should implement immediately. I mean, this is written in their pamphlet, imagine. It is open; they are not making a sort of a ‘thugee’. They do not call it ‘God’ and all that, thank God. Others call it ‘God’, but they openly say, “No it is not, it is a spirit.”
So the spirit of Dr Lang entered into the body of one soldier fighting in Vietnam. This they have written already on their pamphlet, it’s not My own. And that spirit told this man that, “You go and tell my son that I am so-and-so and that you open the clinic, the surgery.” So the man possessed with this spirit went down and told the son and he was taken aback but he gave him such secret information that the son had to accept this information and they opened the Late Dr Lang’s Curative International Center. So the thing started working.
Many doctors who died with this kind of behaviour also started working through that organization. So now they would say that, “If you are suffering from some disease you let us know, we’ll give you the time; that time will work it out.” Exactly on that date, that time the man would start shivering, “Ho, ho, ho, that’s a bhoot I am.” Something entering into their body and the person would get rid of his troubles. But after five, six years that man would rattle like a junkie car. And now he is completely finished. I have had many patients from so-called Dr Lang’s horrible institution and it’s very difficult to cure them because they are such horrible depraved souls that they do not want to leave the body of these people. You can use these spirits for many tricks. It’s a very common thing.
In our group there was a lady who was a disciple of some sort of a man like this, who used to carry a snake around and all that. She came to Me, I gave her the realization quite all right, but she was like this, not all right. So I told her, “You have to give up this horrible Guru of yours and your ambition to be one of those so-called people with power. If you accept it, then only this realization will stay, otherwise it will disappear.” She would not listen to Me. By going to America I told her, “Madam, be careful. You’ll get those powers but you should not accept them.” She said, “No, I will never accept, I do not want these dead powers, I do not want this, I want the Supreme, I want the Parama.” I said, “All right, we’ll see.” But she started getting some kumkum out of her hand and some rice out of her hand that made her think it’s a good idea. She’s started her center now, giving away things. She starting showing all sorts of magical things. It ended up by giving the number of the horse that is going to come. She used to have a big stick in her hand; she used to beat people when they came to her. She became a satanic personality, horrible face. Such horrible face she had, I mean, I could not recognize her when I came back.
When they told me, when they told Me that this lady is doing all these miracles I was most embarrassed, I didn’t know what to do. And she had put up My photograph just there and I had disappeared from the photograph long time back. When I came back you know, she called Me in her house, she brought thousands of people. For such a people there are thousands because you can tell horses number naturally, you see. Here I have less but that lady had thousands. And she washed My feet and did all that. I was so embarrassed; I could see in her house all those entities moving very nicely, jeering at Me how they have captured the woman.
So I told her, when she came to Me, that these are not your powers. And she got the shock of her life. I said, “Now you say what you know before Me, Mataji.” So she started telling another person, “You have a house like this, you have like that.” He said, “No, no, nothing of the kind, it’s all wrong.” So she told it to somebody else who was sitting there that, “In your office there is a man of this name.” He said, “Nothing of the kind, it’s all wrong.” So she just fell at My feet, said “Mother, have you taken away all my powers?” I told her, “Oh, My child, these were never your powers. I would have put you on My head, I would have loved you, kissed you, but these are not your powers, these are the powers of somebody else and they have disappeared like that.”
She got even worse and she said, “Mother, please get rid of them.” But then, when she went back home, all her thousands of disciples waiting there to know all these things, now what a temptation. She went on and on and now she is in the lunatic asylum. And all her disciples will be filling up that Thana I see. Thana hospital is very bad. Some of the ones who were affected by her came to Me, I didn’t know what to do with them. Such a headache for Me. You can work them out in so many ways. Not only by this, but there are so many ways by which you can use these entities. But for a normal person who is sitting down there, suddenly I get a snake in My hand, “Oh, Mataji is the most powerful person here.” With My own eyes I have seen.
I met an ambassador somewhere outside, he was wearing a nickel thing in his neck and he was singing the praise of the man who has given them. I said, “What for a nickel? At least you should have had a diamond. After all you are an ambassador.” He got a little, you know, hurting there. I said, “You are the cream of the nation, like a fool you are running after these nickel things? Did you go to asking for these things?” He said, “No, I went for Supreme.” Then I said, “Then why don’t you throw it on his face?” There’s another one who came to Me. They had got a diamond ring. Rich man, very, very rich and I said, “How many diamond rings you have got? Only the rich; “Huh.” “Otherwise why don’t they solve our economic problems? Easy thing, bring diamonds, solve the problems.”
Now the scientists, if they want to know how I can tell them there are bhoots, they are not going to believe Me. So they bring out. This gentleman came to Me with a diamond ring, “Oh this is a diamond ring I have got”. I said, “Very nice, now what do you want from Me? I haven’t got diamonds.” He said, “No Mother, I just ask You for the Supreme.” “But why did you take the ring? You can purchase the ring in the market. How many do you have?” He says, “I have many.” “Can you purchase God in the market?”
He’s a smuggler, he’s everything and the Guruji has no objections, Guruji himself drinks whisky. And the gentleman, he’s a great worshiper of the Guruji, he also drinks whisky. Guruji does not mind, as long as he passes on two or three bottles of foreign whiskey to him. And then he comes to Mataji. So Mataji asks, “Now why Me sir? What am I to do about it?” He said, “Mataji I have a problem.” I said, “What’s the problem?” “I am losing lots of diamonds.” “Oh. What about your wife?” “Oh she’s completely dedicated to him, and she goes and stays there for months together. She’s not bothered about the husband, about the children, about anything. Oh, she has dedicated herself to the Guruji!”
So the wife was brought to Me. The lady is completely possessed. “Oh God,” I said, “Now what am I to do with this woman? What question am I to ask her?” Then I took out her bhoot, did lots of things – took out. She’s a lady doctor. I asked her, “If you are a lady doctor, what have you been up to?” She said, “I don’t know. Somebody inside me tells me these are all stones, give these to Guruji.” “These are stones for you!” I said, “Mad woman, if these things are stones for you, for a married woman diamonds are stones, so they should be dust for that Guruji of yours who claims he’s a Sanyasi! Why are you giving him these stones? And did you tell your husband?” She said, “No, I never told him. He was about to report it to the police and the Guruji would have been in difficulty.”
But despite all that and the husband getting heart attack thrice, they came to Me again for the curing of the husband. Diamonds disappearing but the wife cannot get rid of the gentleman at all. They are so possessed – very difficult. And thousands of them will run after such a man because it’s very easy to hypnotize. Even they can look at you and hypnotize you. Hypnosis is a simple mass hypnosis which they have mastered, which they are using on people and working it out this way and people are running after them. And whenever you ask anyone of them they will say, “No, we didn’t ask for diamonds.” Why are you impressed by him? Did he give anybody realization? Anybody has got Chaitanya? Does he talk of Kundalini; does he know anything about parasympathetic nervous system? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He just says that, “I’m God”, fair enough. And we all should accept it, anybody saying that, “I am God”? There should be some pramas [premises?]. This is one style. There are many like this.
Surprisingly, Christ was a man who… Of course Nanaka has written, I must say Nanaka has written such a lot against them, thank God. I hope the Sikh people are not running after such people, I hope so. But Kabir has written, Tukaram has written. Kabir has lashed these people with threatening and this and that, lashed them completely. But who reads Kabir? These pishachas [demons], these rakshasas [evils], have been lashed by so many poets of this country. They have told not to go near these people who divert your attention from the subtle to the grossest things. But nobody reads them. So they go to other styles of people.
Now Christ was one incarnation who has clearly told that you have nothing to do with spirits, with the dead. But all the Christian nations are ‘religiously’ spirit worshippers – religiously. In London, you go four steps and you find one spiritualist sitting there. I’m not telling you falsehood, we have some English people – they’ll tell you. You can ask them, all kinds of spiritualists. Even among Christians there are Pentecostals who get possessed, and they say that the Holy Spirit has descended upon them.
Tantricas started this in India about sixth century. It has gone to such a foolish nonsense that in the temples of Mahalakshmi in Bombay they are having this kind of a nonsense going on there. And when I told the trustees that, “You stop all this otherwise I will not come to your temple to address”, they would not. They said, “How can we? That’s how we gather crowds. People, these cretin women, these working women, they get possessed, they start doing “ho, ho, ho, ho”, people come and ask them some questions.” That Mahalakshmi has some sense or not that is she going to come to these cretin women who are doing all kinds of things there? Some of them are prostitutes. Is She going to enter into the body of these people to tell you the questions, “What your father is going to get tomorrow?” Is that the interest of God? Use your brains. Why God should be interested in such useless, worthless, momentarily existing things? How can you connect it with God? I cannot understand by what intellect you connect it. And very great scientists, you see, are trying to discover and investigate that is their attitude.
So, we have types and types. I’ve told you in London we have many types. Scientology, another thing they started in America. God! But what is the ulterior motive of this is? One is power, one is money. It’s all a money making proposition. When I say that you cannot pay anything for your salvation, people get a shock of their live. They cannot understand a Mother’s love; they cannot, that a Mother can work like this, morning till evening, just to give us salvation. They cannot think of a personality like that, impossible, that she doesn’t ask for anything. It’s impossible for them to believe.
In America I went there, people said that, “Such and such person is charging 275 dollars for introducing one bhoot into people. What about you? Why don’t you charge when you are giving people the Reality?” I said “How much can you give Me? How much have you got? What is the value? You put Me in the balance, can you sell your Mother?” I said, “You have asked Me once, never raise such a question to insult Me. All right, you have to build a place. Supposing we want to have a place for meeting place, all right, you have to pay for this pendal. All right collect money, have a pendal. But you cannot have realization with money.”
We have to understand one small thing, that supposing I say, “All right come My son, live in My house without paying any money, nothing, you just live like a parasite”, will you accept? Anyone one of you, will you accept? And these parasites are living on your money, other people’s money. Every cloth that they have, every morsel that they eat, every house they have, every Mercedes they ride, belongs to others. The society which permits such parasites will get parasites. It is what we have deserved.
Why should we pay for God? I cannot understand. Already we have had many of these pundits and these thugs sitting in like pundas (pundits). And then the archbishops of the Thugs have come as Bhagwans and Gods with all the special knowledge of how to befool, and we the simple householders, and these the parasites who call themselves as the Sadhus and the Sanyasis, living on our earnings, why should we pay them? Why do you pay to these Sadhus and Sanyasis?
Sitaji has very clearly told that, “Have nothing to do with Kashaya’s – nothing to do with the Bhagwans, and no Sadhu should stay in a village for more than two days and one night.” She has said, “No woman should have a man as a Guru”, because Adi Shakti, Sita Herself, was deceived by this horrible Ravana, who is born today, who is a Bhagwan these day, you don’t know him. You will know him by his tricks, by the methods, the way he threatened Sitaji that, “If you do not accept my proposals I’m going to make your Indian women naked” and he’s doing it. And we are seeing with our open eyes that photos are blown up and sold in America and the fellow is a multi-millionaire. And I don’t know what the income tax is doing here. It’s a fact.
We are very passive people, I must say, in this respect. Why can’t we find it out? Is it our culture? This can be done also, nice cabaret show arranged free of cost and people enjoy, you see. They talk very much because, after all, you see, in the name of religion and God you want to bring prostitution? You want to kill the Dharma? You want to make everybody a Satan? No use killing these horrid people, they have been killed many a times and are again back here. I can only appeal to your senses and to your dignity that try to understand and rise.
Then, we see the other side. You see there are many styles which I cannot go into details and nothing so important. Better to talk of God than to talk of these horrid people. On the other side of the human beings lies the supra-conscious, what they call ‘supra-mental’ and all these names are given. On the right-hand side there the people who are extra dynamic exist. They are also used by some people. For example, it’s better to give them, these entities – some names of God. For example they’ll give a name, say, of Ram. We say, “Oh, we must take the name of Ram.” They are taking name, “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram.” Now we must understand. What is our right to call Ram? Is He our servant? That we go, “Oh Ram, come here! Look after my father’s health, give me food, supply these, do this.” Is He our servant? He’s Shri Rama the incarnation of God. You want to call Him just like this? What is your right to call Him, “Ram, Ram, Ram”? Because the great saints have said, “Sumi Rana Karo”, so we are doing Sumi Rana. Is it Sumi Rana? Do you have that heart to do Sumi Rana?
H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi