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Shri Gruha Lakshmi Puja, Sydney (Australia), 7 April 1981
Today is the anniversary day of the wedding, and I have allowed them to celebrate it because marriage is very important in Sahaja Yoga. It is one of the most important things for Sahaja Yoga, that one should get married.
Firstly, marriage always gives you a balance of understanding, if you have proper ideas about marriage. If you have funny ideas, and if you are just marrying for fun’s sake and you do not understand the value of marriage, then it is just a joke, it’s not a marriage. But in Sahaja Yoga you really understand the value of marriage first of all, what it means. And then, luckily today we are going to have some Sahaja Yoga weddings, in which you will see how we try to conform to the divine laws of marriage, and get married under those laws.
Here I find, in Australia, as well as in other countries, that marriage has lost its sanctity. People don’t understand that by doing sin against the marriage they are committing such great sins that many generations will have to suffer for this kind of a thing.
One has to understand that fidelity is the basis of marriage. If there is no fidelity marriage has no meaning. If you are not capable of being fidel (sic), that means you are not yet a human being. A human being has to be a fidel animal.
In marriage we confirm that the problem is over now, we have finished with the choices we had, and now we are going to settle down with one person. And the sharing of life, in even absolutely private life, is with one person. So you have to be very much harmonised with that person and in complete understanding, and loyalties to each other one has to have.
Now the marriage is for the reproduction of the species as they say. Now as you are another species, you are Sahaja Yogis – it’s a new awareness –marriages between you will bring forth children of very high calibre. There are great saints who are anxious to get birth on this Earth, and if they find good Sahaja Yogi husband and wife, who love each other, are good progressive people in Sahaja Yoga, who are dedicated to Sahaja Yoga, they would be definitely descending on this Earth through you. So it is very important, and imminent at this time, that one should understand the value of the marriage of Sahaja Yoga.
So many marriages have taken place before also, but what is the validity or what is the credibility of those marriages when the person who marries them in the name of God is not a Realised-soul? He has to be a Realised-soul to marry them. He has no authority to marry in the name of God. Alright, registration is a different thing altogether because they do not marry in the name of God, they marry in the name of a nation. But if you have to marry in the name of God you must have a Realised-soul to do that. And one should understand every bit of the marriage that is performed: what you are doing, why you are doing. There are certain promises that are to be given.
We have taken this marriage system from the old Vedic system, also changed it very much according to the Sahaja Yoga, where we have been trying to use also certain ceremonies which are done in the churches and other religions. But mainly it is based on the Kundalini.
So the promise is to the fire. In this marriage the promise is to the fire because fire is the one that burns off all that is ugly. And Kundalini is also like a fire on one point, because that’s the only energy that rises above. So, like the fire goes upward, the Kundalini also rises upwards. That’s why it is compared with the fire. But fire is the energy which is in the stomach, which is the dharma, which is the religion. And the religion of the Sahaja Yogis is to keep in the centre, not to go to extremes. And when they get married, by their understanding of Sahaja Yoga they pull each other towards the centre much more, and enjoy themselves: the present, the present moment, and the present as it is.
Sahaja Yoga marriages can be really fantastic if the Sahaja Yogis who marry are sensible, are equally balanced, or are not criticising each other, not taking an upper hand. It is possible for one Sahaja Yogi to marry another one, to gradually upgrade that Sahaja Yogi. It is possible also to degrade. If another Sahaja Yogi is more powerful or negative so much that it can degrade also another person. It depends on your quality to be upgraded or degraded.
So marriage is a very big blessing in Sahaja Yoga because all the Gods and all the angels are watching these marriages and they will see to it that these marriages are successful.
But if you are bent upon making them unsuccessful because you still have the same kind of an awareness which you had before and you want to go to the same it can fail also. Like animals, you see: if you live with the animals even human beings can become like animals.
So the Sahaja Yogis must know that their awareness is changed. They are different people. They have to live with Sahaja Yogis and not with other human beings who are not yet Realised. They can talk to them, but they must know that the Sahaja Yogis are at a very different level of awareness. If they realise this point, if they understand this simple point that their awareness is very different, they would adjust much better in married life.
There’s no divorce in Sahaja Yoga. We do not think of a divorce but there’s nothing forced. I mean, if they fail to live together it’s a shame but, so far we have had no divorces. But as the people are coming from every sort of culture and things, there is a possibility that people may like to divorce legally. But in Sahaja Yoga there is nothing like divorce. But there’s no force on anyone. And one must try to understand marriage, that it is for your enjoyment. If you cannot enjoy the marriage then it is of no use to you.
In Sahaja Yoga it is to be ensured that people enjoy their marriages, and live very well, happily, with each other. It is a responsibility of all the people in Sahaja Yoga. But, say in My case, own case, My husband was not a Realised-soul, nor did he understood realisation, nor was he a seeker.
(A child comes: It would like to come to Me for sitting in My lap throughout!)
And despite all that, you see, I didn’t get upset or anything, I didn’t push him. I didn’t push anyone. I said, “Gradually he will be able to see it through.”
So even if the person, another person is not a Realised-soul one can manage it very well, and can live very happily. But in case you get both the people Realised then it’s a much better thing and should be enjoyed. But the interest should be in Sahaja Yoga. If you have other interests then there could be problems because a Sahaja Yogi would not tolerate his wife or a Sahaja Yogini would not tolerate her husband to waste his energy on nonsensical things. And a new sort of a conflict will start between Sahaja Yoga and the Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoginis.
So it should never be a matter of conflict because we have so many ways and methods of finding out what’s the matter with us. And if there is anything wrong with us we should try to face it and clear it out. We should not try to clear each other’s chakras but our own. Actually we do not pay attention to ourselves, we start paying attention to others.
Moreover, I must say that Sahaja Yoga marriages will be the most successful marriages, have to be. They may re-establish the institution of marriage on very sound basis. There’s no doubt about it. And those who’ll be married in Sahaja Yoga will be really remarkably happy married couples. But there will be an attack of the negativity on them as soon as they get married, because it is not a very happy thing for these negative forces to see that people are happily married. And they would try their level best to bring all sorts of problems, all sorts of complications in the beginning, to see that these marriages are broken. And when you start playing into their hands you will also be spoiling the chances of getting good Realised-souls to you, because they would not accept such a situation. If you have been quarrelling in the beginning also it’s not good, because you go down in their estimation. So you have to be very patient, very soft and good to each other, to see that you create an atmosphere of invitation for these great souls to come on this Earth. And if that is not so then they will wait, they will not incarnate because they don’t want to have parents who are quarrelling, who are fighting, who are suspecting, who are troubling each other.
Now, one has to know that Sahaja Yoga marriage has a precise reason. It is not [that] you are marrying just out of fashion. You are marrying because you want to have children who are Realised-souls, on this Earth, to come. We give them a place, parentage to do that. And if you do not understand the value of that marriage then it is better not to be married in Sahaja Yoga. It’s better to spare the Sahaja Yoga!
There’s only one snag in Sahaja Yoga is this, that you are all born of the same Mother so you are all brothers and sisters, in a way. But when you are going to marry each other then this point becomes a little funny that, how can a brother marry a sister? Now, we can say like that, that I would say that it would be better if you marry not in the same community, but marry from somewhere else. At the most a Sydney Sahaja Yogi should marry a Melbourne Sahaja Yogini. Some distance should be like that, so that it is kept like not brothers and sisters – should be better.
But I have seen, when this happens, there is more conflict, because they still carry on with the idea that they are from Melbourne and another from Sydney. Now the Sydney and Melbourne should not be a matter of conflict, because as soon as they start quarrelling they’ll say, “Oh, you Melbournian, I know you are like that.”
And she’ll say, “You Sydneyans, you are like that.”
And immediately you become like that, and you start quarrelling about it. So you must know that you are not a Sydneyan or a Melbournian but you are nothing but a Sahaja Yogi. And Sahaja Yogi has no caste, community or any race, or any religion, or also no bar of any nation. Whatever nation you come from you are a Sahaja Yogi, you are a universal being. You are. You can feel the vibrations of anyone sitting down here. Whether he’s from Hawaii or from America doesn’t matter. So, when you can feel about everyone, that means you are no more belonging to any community or any particular country, you are a universal being. And that’s what we have to do, we have to create more universal beings. And to expedite that, we want to get these great souls on this Earth, so it’s a very important work.
They have to be on this Earth, because they are the great channels for this divine work. Once they start descending on this Earth, the real ones, it will all expedite. It will be such a great, it will be such a great sudden explosion of Sahaja Yoga. You will be amazed how it can grow faster with these people coming down. And we should try to make such arrangements that we get the real blessings of those people, that they come down on this Earth. It’s very important.
So I would request you to think about the marriage from a new angle and from new ideas by which you can really understand the value, the value of these marriages. And then you make it a successful marriage and not a failure, a nonsense, of it. That’s such a great simple thing to do because you are married before Realised-souls. So there is no question of being just married like other people are married and then they, they take a name-plate on their car saying ‘Just married’ and they are going to a divorce case. There cannot be such a thing for Sahaja Yog – it’s a serious thing. If you are not serious enough about it better not marry. If you have expectations about marriage it is better not to marry. It is better not to marry. Nobody is going to force you to marry. Just say, “No, not at all, I’m not going to.” But if you are going to go on like this you will really be harming Sahaja Yoga in the worst possible way. It is like stabbing Sahaja Yoga from the back.
So there is no need for you to get married, in case you do not want to have it. On the contrary, it would be better that there are many married couples who can produce children, and they can have those great people born to them. But if you think that adjustment and all that means all kinds of these old ideas of married life, it’s better that you do not get married. It’s a new heavenly marriage, for which you should be prepared to receive the beauty and the blessings, and also the greatest of greatest, the ultimate meaning of it.
I hope you will understand that Sahaja Yoga is emphasising on marriages, and we do not believe in any asceticism, the running away from family life. We believe that family life is the most important thing. We have to establish it very well on this Earth, and that we have to see, in these beautiful nests of divine love, that great souls are born, and we have to continue with it. There’s no escape from having a very good married life. And I wish you, all of you, that you will have a very good happy married life. And those who are not marrying I wish them that they also will have a very happy married life.
Now I have been married, I think thirty-sixth year is this [of] My marriage today. There’s so many years have passed but still I still feel like a bride with My husband because really we have been very wise people to live like that. And of course there are ups and downs, but ultimately one feels very different about the whole thing. He has sent a beautiful letter today, thanking you all for your kindness shown to Me, and for all the kindness you have shown to him.
So we should have the puja, this today, as a Gruha Lakshmi you are worshipping Me. As a Gruha Lakshmi in you and which is very essential also, to worship Me as a Gruha Lakshmi, because you all have a problem with your Gruha Lakshmi. That’s the Left Nabhi.
So I hope it will work out better for you, and we’ll start with the puja.
After this short puja that we have, then we’ll start with this Devi havan, because this we have not been able to do so far, and this is very important. We have to somehow or other manage it today if possible. We should do thousand names. Would be a very good idea.
(Hereunder Mother speaking also in Hindi/Marathi to some Yogis in preparing the Puja…)
Who else is getting married? You also? Let these two. You two come, along.
How can you sit there? You will spread something? Have you got something to spread? No, no, no. Better spread some more of these.
These are very handy things, eh? Very handy. You can pull that. I think that’s a better idea. Just now we are not going to sit there, so you can pull all this out. Why not spread it here? No, no, it’s alright. No, that’s okay. This is better, to pull this out.
Sahaja Yogi: Ok, Just stand up then Bill and we’ll spread this over the whole lot.
Shri Mataji: Now you all sit down.
For Modi you have to give him something below.
Yes, that’s all. Come along, sit down.
Now, who else is there? She’s left. You can sit there. You can move there. You see, just have that thing connected there, see, she can move it. She can move it, you see?
That’s sufficient now, that’s alright. Come and sit down. It’s alright? Now. It’s now one more you want? Just leave it. …. Yes, that’s better. This is better. You spread it more like that. This is the better thing.
(Yogis saying the great mantra, then Gruha Laxmi mantra…)
It’s a short one – not too long, alright? Alright.
25:47 – 49:27
(Yogi begins to read out Atharva Sheersha.)
First is Ganesha Puja. Tell the meaning of it. They should know the meaning.
This is a – I have told him to today say it out. Now this is what we were saying, that Christ is described in short. This is very short description. And what He is, actually His all aspects have been described in short, again in short, very much in short. These few things he will be reading it and explaining it to you, while you just wash My feet.
(Ganesha Atharva Sheersha is read out)
“Om twameva… atmasi nithyam”
[Yogi: Now here we worship the Lord Jesus in the name of Lord Ganesha. He is supposed to be in totality the essence of all the principles. He is in totality –
Shri Mataji: principles, all the principles –
Yogi: all the principles of the Universe –
Shri Mataji: Tattwa
Yogi: “Tattwam asi“. Means the totality of all the principles of the Universe …Then he is supposed to be the kartasi, kartasi means-
Shri Mataji: The Doer
Yogi: he is supposed to do all the doings, it is he who does all the doings… then he says twameva kevalam dartasi means he is the
Shri Mataji:…. Support. So He is the support. …. He is the one who takes away all the problems. He’s the one. He’s the sucker of all the problems of the Universe. .… Brahma, Brahma. Brahma is this Brahma shakti, you see, this Pranava. Pranava. …. He is present in you as the Spirit. He resides in you as spirit. He is the truth. Not that, “He says the truth”, but He is the truth. ….
“… saman tat”
[Yogi: The hearing, the speaking are done by Him. He is in the Sheersha. Sheersha means…]
Shri Mataji: The disciples. In the disciple principle. …. He exists in all the directions. …. He is the complete literature. …. Joy. “You are the one who is the all-pervading Power within us.” “Sat chit ananda dvitiyosi” means “Nobody can compare You to Your capacity to be Sat chit ananda.” …. Attention. Ananda means joy. And “Nobody can be compared with You.” …. The Creator. …. Science of knowledge. ….
He is the complete literature. [He is the complete Ananda=] Joy.
“Bhrama mayas“. You are the one who is the all-pervading power within us. “Sat chit ananda dvitiyosi” means, “Nobody can compare to your capacity to be sat chit ananda.” … [Sat = Truth] [Chit =] Attention. ‘Ananda’ means ‘Joy’. And “Nobody can be compared with You.” …. [Brahma=] The Creator. ….
You are the knowledge and you are the science of knowledge
[He remains when the whole world is] destroyed. “Tish thati” means it stays: “The whole world stays because of You. As long as You are there, the world will stay.” (Let him be, let him be. That’s not so –. Sit down, sit down, sit down.)
“… me shiathy”
When you are completely, the whole world is destroyed, that time only You are there. You are the witness. …. Everybody can only experience You and nothing else. …. Him, through Him, through Him. …. The water. He is the akasha. …. He’s the sky, ether. All the elements. …. Guided by Him.
There are, you see, four stages of your sound, you see, when they – para, pashanti, madhyama. You see, there are four stages of your sound that starts from here. …. You see, the sound starts from here [Nhabi]. This is para. Sound starts from para. From here it starts. Then it goes to pashanti and the heart just pulsate. But it is, pashanti means, “It is just watching.” Here it is madhyama. It is the centre, means it doesn’t, neither watch nor this thing. And then, at the mouth part it becomes eloquent. So “all these four stages of the sound are governed by You.” By You.
No, no,gunas virtues nahi . Gunas means moods, moods, moods; qualities. You see, tamo guna and rajo guna and satya guna: He’s beyond them, He’s transcended. You see, for Him there’s nothing like sin. Whatever He does is divine. …. “You are beyond Your body.” …. “You are beyond time.” …. Mooladhara Chakra. …. “You are the three powers.” Three powers. Trigunatmika – means all these three powers: Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali. …. “Upon You.” All the time. ….
[Brahma] He’s the Creator. [Vishnu] He’s the Sustainer. He’s the Protector also. [Rudra] He’s the one who destroys. … Indra is the God of the Gods. …. He is the sound of God – Aumkara. …. He’s the assemblage of all that.
“… Ganapaye namaha”
Gana means all the, all the celestial beings on the left-hand side are called as ganas, you see? They are – the leader of them is St. Michael. He is even before them, He’s born even before them. He’s even higher than them. …. You see, this is what is Alpha and Omega: that He is, He’s the first Word that is created, and He is the last Word, He’s above the last Word that is created. ….
The bindu gives you salvation. …. You see the vibrations, I don’t know if you can see them? It looks like a comma – “anusvarah” is commas. So that’s how you – each side like little, little commas; if you can see them ….
See, the complete Aumkara is: first is Ga-karah, is Ganapati, Ga. “Ga-karah purva-rupam”: the first is, you see, You take the form of Ganesha in the beginning, “purva-rupam” – Ganesha is in that. Then You take the form of Aumkara ….. And the last is when You become just a comma.
Sound is mantras, you see. To know Him through the mantras, you have to learn the Ganesha-vidya, is the knowledge of Jesus. If you have to know the mantras, you have to know through the knowledge that the whole science is called, is the knowledge of Ganesha. Or you can call the vidya of Ganesha, means the technique of Ganesha. And if you have to know how the mantras work out, this is the science. The science is called as Ganesha-vidya, is all His science. …. He, that’s why He’s called as Ganaka, Ganaka-rishihi, that’s why He’s called, because He’s the master of that. He’s the master of the art of mantras, the sounds.
Chandah. It’s a mantra – Gayatri is one of the mantras, you see. And it’s on the right-hand side. Chandah is … music of all the mantras. The rhythm, rhythm, rhythm. You see, you have to say mantras with a certain rhythm, and He’s the rhythm.
How to, how to … awaken this deity.
[Yogi: “Aum Gam Ganapataye namah” – this is the mantra for awakening this deity.]
You see, the Ganesha-vidya. …. One tooth; because with the another one He writes. And He’s got the trunk. Is one of the loops. See, He controls you with a loop. If you try to misbehave, then He puts a loop round you and pulls you back. ….Yes. Ankusha is that you use it on the elephant, to control. On the elephant. Ankusha. But it is a very, it’s a guiding instrument.
Protection. …. I mean, something very humble animal, very humble, is mouse for Him. And for Christ also, the donkey, which is the humblest animal. …. Red clothes. …. At least on His chakras we should put red. That’s why ….
[Yogi: And that’s how He manifests, even as a human being.]
See. …. Good yogi, not a – … No, no, “a yogi” means anybody going to church: that’s not a yogi. See, a yogi … yoga. You see, “evam dhyayati” means “by which you know.” …. Only the yogis, again.
Bow to You. …. Because He’s purity. …. of Shiva. Shiva is the …. You know Shiva, you know. You are the one, You are the statue of blessings. You are the statue of blessings.
[Yogi: “Bolo Shri Bhagavati Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi ki Jai!”]
You see this is just the abridged form.
[Yogi : The abridged form. There are only eight slokas, eight stanzas, very small.]
So this is nothing to understand Him. But just this is said, is just in the beginning, to make it …. [Hindi]…. Atharva Devi […] You have got this Book in English? No?
(End of Version 1)
See, they’re gods, you see. You’re also gods now, because you have all the powers. Prayed to the – prayed to Vishnu to create a power by which they, all these horrible devils can be destroyed. And then a Goddess was created. This story is better to hear.
[Yogi asks if it is the same story as in the “Devi Mahatmyam”.]
You’ve got “Devi Bhagwat” – you have got it? But I wish you had read it. Alright. …. You know the story? Alright … then say the mantras.
“Mahalakshmi Stotram.” [Hindi] Raul Bai is very particular about the ritual to be done properly. I said the brain should be alright, first of all. If you go on doing everything properly, doing this, do this .… First of all ego must go, otherwise what’s the use? …. [Hindi]
There is some yoghurt in that? [Hindi]
You’ve been working very hard, … really. You have been really working very hard. You have; two pujas is too much!
You see the raktagandha: He likes to be, He likes to be covered with raktagandha, you see. You see, the kind of a tree we get, called as raktagandha, which is like the sandalwood but is red-colored; and He likes it to be all the time covered with it. That’s why I have to cover Myself, it’s to cover this portion – there He resides. Raktagandha. “Rakta” means blood, and “gandha” means this particular type of a sandalwood it is, which is of the red color, which is rubbed and is put here.
This is typically Bali, or Australian?
There’s so much vibrations, all the rest I’m doing it. She says, you have said all the mantras, she says, now she’s finished. [Hindi]
Let’s see who gets the best!
Where is Barbara? Come along, take your photograph. Let her have one. Let’s see now, and she’ll decide. See, your photographs also depend on your state of mind, very much so. Done? Alright? Now – may God bless you. Does he want? Alright. You can come closer, for My feet. Come along, you have to do My feet also.
Of the sanctity of marriage. May God bless you, and give you the full idea of sanctity of marriage.
Let’s start the …. Now, you all have to get up from here, and some people who have come for the first time should come forward. If you have come for the first time, you should come forward. And you can also take a stool for yourself or something, or a chair.
25:47 – 49:27
Ganesha Atharva Sheersha starts
Shri Mataji: Tell the meaning. [Hindi/Marathi] They should know the meaning. [Hindi/Marathi]
This is a – I have told him to today say it out. Now this is what we were saying, that Christ is described in short. This is very short description. And what He is, actually His all aspects have been described in short, again in short, very much in short. These few things he will be reading it and explaining it to you, while you just wash My feet. [To a Yogini] Now you organise.
[Ganesha Atharva Sheersha starts again.]
Sahaja Yogi : “Om, Namaste Ganapataye. Twameva Pratyaksham Tattwam asi.
Twamewa Kevalam Kartasi. Twamewa Kevalam Dhartasi. Twamewa Kevalam Hartasi.
Twamewa Sarvam Khalvidam Brahmasi. Twam Sakshat Atmasi Nityam.”
Sahaja Yogi : Now here, we worship the Lord Jesus in the name of Lord Ganesha. He is supposed to be in totality, the essence of all the principles. He is in totality –
Shri Mataji: principles, all the principles –
Sahaja Yogi: all the principles of the Universe –
Shri Mataji: Tattwa
Sahaja Yogi: “tattwam asi”. Means the totality of all the principles of the Universe. Then he is supposed to be the kartasi, kartasi means-
Shri Mataji : The Doer
Sahaja Yogi: he is supposed to do all the doings, it is he who does all the doings. Then he says “twameva kevalam dartasi” means he is the
Shri Mataji : Support.
Sahaja Yogi: he is the supporter of all the things in the Universe.
Shri Mataji : He is the support.
Sahaja Yogi: The he is the “Kevalam dhartasi” Ara ne?
Shri Mataji : He is the one who takes away all the problems. He’s the one. He’s the sucker of all the problems of the Universe.
Sahaja Yogi: Then it is said : “Twamewa Sarvam Khalvidam Brahmasi” means he is the totality of the Universe.
Shri Mataji : Brahma, Brahma. Brahma is this Brahma shakti, you see, this Pranava. Pranam, Pranam.
Sahaja Yogi: He himself is the all pervading Energy.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Sakshat Atmasi Nityam” He ‘s always
Shri Mataji : Present in you as the Spirit. He resides in you as Spirit.
Sahaja Yogi: He always says the truth.
Shri Mataji : He’s the truth. Not “He says the truth”, but He is the truth.
Sahaja Yogi: “Ritam Vachmi. Satyam Vachmi. Ava twam Mam.
Ava Vaktaram. Ava Shrotaram. Ava Dataram. Ava Dhataram.
Ava noo Chanam. Ava Shishyam. Ava Pash chat tat. Ava Puras tat. Avot tarat tat. Ava Dakshinat tat. Ava Chor Dhvat tat. Ava Dharat tat. Sarvato Mam Pahi Pahi Saman tat.”
Here he says, that he is supposed to be the doer as we say that means that he in… The hearing is done by him. The speaking is also done by him. He is in the shirsha, “shirsha” means
Shri Mataji : In the disciples, in the disciple principle.
Sahaja Yogi: Disciple principle is also the Lord Ganesha. In the principle of teacher also is the principle of Lord Jesus. He’s also in all the directions, East West North South.
Shri Mataji : He exists in all the directions.
Sahaja Yogi: Since he exists in all the directions, he is all pervading. Everywhere, on top, in the bottom, everywhere.
“Twam Vang mayas Twam Chin mayah. Twam ananda mayas Twam Brahma mayah.
Twam Sat chit ananda dvitiyosi. Twam Pratyaksham Brahmasi. Twam Gyana mayo Vigyana mayosi.
Sahaja Yogi: He says the entire
Shri Mataji : “Vang mayah” means literature. He is the complete literature.
Sahaja Yogi: He is the complete ananda; ananda means
Shri Mataji : Joy.
Sahaja Yogi: “Brahma mayas”
Shri Mataji : “You are the one who is the all-pervading Power within us.”
Sahaja Yogi: “Sat chit ananda dvitiyosi” means, if there is no other better happiness.
Shri Mataji : No. “Sat chit ananda dvitiyosi” means, nobody can compare you to your capacity to be Sat chit ananda.
Sahaja Yogi: Sat means truth, chit means
Shri Mataji : Attention. Ananda means joy. And Nobody can be compared with You.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Pratyaksham Brahmasi” you are in totality, existing Bhrama.
Shri Mataji : The Creator.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Gyana mayo Vigyana mayosi.” You are the knowledge
Shri Mataji : Science of knowledge.
Sahaja Yogi: You are the knowledge and you are the science of knowledge.
“Sarvam Jagadidam Twatto Jayate. Sarvam Jagadidam twat tas tish thati. Sarvam Jagadidam Twayi Laya me shyati. Sarvam Jagadidam Twayi Pratyeti.
Twam Bhoomi rapo nalo nilo Nabhah. Twam Chatvari Vak Padani.”
Sahaja Yogi: That means here he says, when the all world goes away
Shri Mataji : Destroyed
Sahaja Yogi: is destroyed, it is he who remains.
“Sarvam Jagadidam twat tas tish thati” When the all body
Shri Mataji : No. “Tish thati” means ‘it stays in it’. The whole world stays because of You. As long as You are there, the world will stay.
[About a dog?]Let him be, let him be. That’s not so very–. Sit down, sit down, sit down.
Sahaja Yogi: “Sarvam Jagadidam Twayi Laya me shyati.”
Shri Mataji: When You are completed, the whole world is destroyed, that time also, You are there. You are the witness.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twayi Pratyeti”
Shri Mataji : “Twayi Pratyeti” Everybody can only experience You and nothing else.
Sahaja Yogi: If you have any experience of the Divine it is because of him.
Shri Mataji : Him, through Him, through Him.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Bhoomi rapo nalo nilo Nabhah” He is the soil, he is
Shri Mataji : The water. He is the akasha. Nala means fire.
Sahaja Yogi: Nilo
Shri Mataji : He’s the sky, ether.
Sahaja Yogi: He is the fire.
Shri Mataji : All the elements.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Chatvari Vak Padani.” These are also….
Shri Mataji : Guided by Him. There are, you see, four stages of your sound, you see, when they – para, pashanti, madhyama. You see, there are four stages of your sound that starts from here.
Sahaja Yogi: First one from the Nabhi. second one from here. Para, pashanti, madyama, and wakening, wakening here come the sound from here where you speak
Shri Mataji: You see, the sound starts from here [Shri Mataji shows her stomach]. This is para. Sound starts from para, from here it starts. [Shri Mataji shows her stomach]. Then it goes to pashanti, the heart just pulsate. But it is “pashanti”, means it is just watching. Here it is madhyama [Shri Mataji shows her throat]. It is the centre, means it doesn’t, neither watch nor this thing. And then, at the mouth part, becomes eloquent. So all these four stages of the sound are governed by You, by You.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Guna traya teetah. Twam Deha traya teetah. Twam Kala traya teetah. Twam Mooladhara sthitosi Nityam. Twam Shakti trayat makah. Twam Yogino Dhyayanti Nityam. Twam Brahma, Twam Vishnus, Twam Rudras, Twam Indras, Twam Agnis, Twam Vayus, Twam Suryas, Twam Chandramas. Twam Brahma bhur bhuvah Swarom.”
…He is beyond all the gunas, that means, beyond all the virtues.
Shri Mataji : No, no, “gunas virtues nahi” [Gunas are not virtues]. Gunas means moods, moods, moods; qualities. You see, “tamo guna and rajo guna and satya guna” He’s beyond them, He transcended. You see, for Him there’s nothing like sin, whatever He does is divine.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Deha traya teetah”
Shri Mataji : You are beyond Your body.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Kala traya teetah”
Shri Mataji : You are beyond time.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Mooladhara sthitosi Nityam.” Now Mooladhara means, the Mooladhara of the Universe.
Shri Mataji : Mooladhara Chakra.
Sahaja Yogi: Mooladhara Chakra of the Universe. There he resides.
Shri Mataji : resides.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Shakti trayat makah”
Shri Mataji : You are the three powers. Three powers. Trigunatmika – means all these three powers: Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali.
Sahaja Yogi: “Twam Yogino Dhyayanti Nityam” means Yogis, means all the saints of the Universe they always meditate
Shri Mataji : Upon You. All the time. ….
Sahaja Yogi: “Nityam” means everytime.
“Twam Brahma”, you are Brahma
Shri Mataji : He’s the Creator.
Sahaja Yogi: He is Vishnu.
Shri Mataji : He’s the Sustainer. He’s the Protector also.
Sahaja Yogi: He is Rudra.
Shri Mataji : He’s the one destroyer.
Sahaja Yogi: He is Indra.
Shri Mataji : Indra is the God of the Gods.
Sahaja Yogi : Agni he is the fire. He is the wind, he is the Sun, he is the Moon.
“bhur bhuvah Swarom”
Shri Mataji : He is the sound of God – Omkara.
Sahaja Yogi : “Ganadim Poorva much charya. Varna dim Tada nan taram. Anus varah Para tarah. Ardhendu lasitam, Tare na Ruddham. Etat tava Manuswa roopam.
Gakarah Poorva roopam. Akaro Madhyama roopam. Anuswarash chantya roopam.
Bindu rut tara roopam. Nada Sandha nam. Sanhita Sandhih. Saisha Ganesha Vidya.
Ganaka Rishihi. Nich rid Gayatri Chandah.Ganapatir Devata. Om Gam Ganapataye Namah.”
Sahaja Yogi :Here, how the Omkara has come out through him. And how every aspect of Omkara is he himself.
Shri Mataji : He’s the assemblage of all that.
Sahaja Yogi : “Ganadim Poorva much charya Varna dim Tada nan taram”
Shri Mataji: Gana means all the, all the celestial beings on the left-hand side are called as ganas, you see? They are – the leader of them is St. Michael. So He is even before them, He’s born even before them. He’s even higher than them.
Sahaja Yogi : “Varna dim Tada nan taram.” All the ganas are created after him.
Shri Mataji : You see, this is what is Alpha and Omega: that He is, He’s the first word that is created, and He is the last word, He’s above the last word that is created, “Varana”.
Sahaja Yogi : “Anus varah Para tarah” You see there is a stage after Realisation which is supposed to be
Shri Mataji : Above it
Sahaja Yogi : Above Sahastrara, is ardhenbindu sthiti, bindu sthiti and vale sthiti. So from bindu sthiti, all the sthitis, all the stages, from bindu sthiti onward, there are something like 14 stages above. All the stages are governed by him…
“Tare na Ruddham.”
Shri Mataji : The one who gives you salvation.
You see the vibrations – I don’t know if you can see them- it looks like a comma – “anusvarah” is commas. So that’s how You reside like little, little commas; if you can see them ….
See, the complete Omkara is: first is Ga-karah, is Ganapati, Ga. “Ga-karah purva-rupam”: the first is – you see, You take the form of Ganesha in the beginning, “purva-rupam” – Ganesha is in them. Then You take the form of Omkara. And the last is when You become just a comma.
Sahaja Yogi : … If you have to learn him from the sound, then Shri Ganesha vidya, then that knowledge, the knowledge of learning through the sound, is known as Shri Ganesha vidya.
Shri Mataji : Sound is mantras, you see. To know Him through the mantras, you have to learn the Ganesha-vidya, is the knowledge of Jesus. If you have to know the mantras, you have to know through the knowledge, that the whole science is called, is the knowledge of Ganesha. Or you can call the vidya of Ganesha, means the technique of Ganesha. And if you have to know how the mantras work out, this is the science. The science is called as Ganesha-vidya, is all His science.
Sahaja Yogi : …The one who masters this knowledge is Ganaka-rishihi
Shri Mataji : He, that’s why He’s called as Ganaka, Ganaka-rishihi, that’s why He’s called, because He’s the master of that. He’s the master of the art of mantras, the sounds.
Sahaja Yogi: “Nich rid Gayatri Chandah.”
Shri Mataji : Chandah. It’s a mantra – Gayatri is one of the mantras, you see. And it’s on the right-hand side. Chandah is … music of all the mantras. The rhythm, rhythm, rhythm [taala]. You see, you have to say mantras with a certain rhythm, and He’s the rhythm.
Sahaja Yogi : Of all the mantras. “Ganapatir Devata.” God himself is again Ganesha, that is the Lord Jesus. The Lord himself is again Shri Ganesha.
“Om Gam Ganapataye Namah.”
Shri Mataji : How to, how to awaken this deity.
Sahaja Yogi : For that the mantra has been given. That mantra is like this, “Om Gam Ganapataye namah” this is the mantra for awakening this deity. Then there is a prayer for him. Subsequently these two stand out as a prayer for him, prayer for this God has been recited:
“Eka Dantaya Vidmahe.
Vakra Tundaya Dheemahi.
Tanno Dantih Prachodayat.
Ekadantam Chatur hastam
Pāsham ankush dhārinam”
How this God is, how does he behave?
Shri Mataji : You see, the Ganesha’s mantra.
Sahaja Yogi: His description has been made all here. He is having one…
Shri Mataji: He is having one tooth; because with the another one, He writes. And He’s got the trunk.
Sahaja Yogi : “Pasham ankush dharinam.” Pash?
Shri Mataji : Is one of the loops. See, He controls you with a loop. If you try to misbehave, then He puts a loop round you and pulls you back – pash-
Sahaja Yogi : Ankush is a kind of instrument….
Shri Mataji : Yes. Ankusha is that you use it on the elephant, to control. On the elephant. Ankusha. But it is a very – it’s a guiding instrument.
Sahaja Yogi : “Radam Cha Varadam Hastair” means he is offering you hand,
Shri Mataji : Protection.
Sahaja Yogi : “bi bhranam Mooshak dhvajam.” Mouse is his carrier…
Shri Mataji : I mean, something very humble animal, very humble, is mouse for Him. And for Christ also, the donkey, which is the humblest animal.
Sahaja Yogi : “Raktam Lambodaram Shoorpa karnakam. Rakta vasasam.” Means he wears red clothes, he likes to wear red clothes.
Shri Mataji : Red clothes.
Sahaja Yogi : “Rakta gandhanu liptangam.” It should be red on the forehead and on the body. Even on the body, he would like to put red safran the red one.
Shri Mataji : At least on this chakra, we should put red. [Shri Mataji shows the Agnya chakra]
Sahaja Yogi : “Rakta pushpaihi Supoojitam.” Means he likes the red flowers very much.
Shri Mataji : That’s why ….
Sahaja Yogi : That’s why you brought those red flowers for the puja…
“Bhaktanu Kampitam Devam” For the devotees, he has a tremendous compassion…
The compassion that flows from him is for the universal good.
“Aavir bhutam Cha Shristyadau. Prakritehe Purushat param.” He comes on the earth to give emancipation to the human beings, and that’s how He manifests, even as a human being.
Shri Mataji : See.
Sahaja Yogi : “Evam Dhya yati Yo Nityam. Sa Yogi Yoginam Varah.” So the one, the Yogi.
Shri Mataji : Good Yogi, not “a yogi”. No, no, “a yogi” means anybody who is going to church: that’s not a Yogi. See, a Yogi_
Sahaja Yogi : So the connexion by which you know the Divine is known as Yoga….
Shri Mataji : Yoga. You see, “evam dhyayati” means “by which you know”.
Sahaja Yogi : Such Yogi worships this Lord Ganesha or Lord Jesus in the fashion by meditation.
Shri Mataji : Only the Yogis, again.
Sahaja Yogi : They know by meditation, not by chanting mantras. “Namo Vratapataye. Namo Ganapataye. Namaha Pramatha Pataye. Namaste Astu Lambodaraya, Ekadantaya, Vighna Nashine, Shiva sutaye, Shri Varada moortaye Namah.” Here, such divine personality, I bown to you,
Shri Mataji : ‘Bow’ to You.
Sahaja Yogi : Always, in all purity, I bow to you.
Shri Mataji : Because He’s purity.
Sahaja Yogi : …You are the son of the Spirit “Shiva sutaye”.
Shri Mataji : No, of Shiva.
Sahaja Yogi : He is born out of Shiva
Shri Mataji : Shiva is the –
Sahaja Yogi : …Shiva is the Spirit of the Universe.
Shri Mataji : Yes. Sadashiva is God Almighty. You know Shiva, you know.
Sahaja Yogi: Shri Varada moortaye Namoh Namaha
Shri Mataji : You are the one, You are the statue of blessings. You are the statue of blessings.
Sahaja Yogi: “Bolo Shri Bhagavati Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi ki Jai!”
Shri Mataji: You see, this is just the abridged form.
Sahaja Yogi : …There are only eight slokas, eight stanzas, very small.
Shri Mataji : So this is nothing to understand Him. But just this is said, is just in the beginning.
To make it …. Atharva Devi […] You have got this Book in English? No?
[Note: I notice at the end of the talk that Shri Mataji is a bit annoyed by the ego of the Indian Sahaja Yogi who chanted and explained Atharva Shirsha. :-))
In fact, the Yogi made a “mistake” between Sadashiva and Shiva when he said “Ganesha is the child of the Spirit”. He extrapolated because this is not what is written, literally. So Shri Mataji corrected him. Unfortunately, when Shri Mataji wanted to explain the difference between Sadashiva and Shiva, he did not let Her speak. It is for this reason that She added Sadashiva is God Alamighty as it is under this form that He is the Spirit of the Universe.]
(End of Version 2)