Christ and Forgiveness

Caxton Hall, London (England)


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Christ and Forgiveness, Caxton Hall (UK), 11 May 1981.

To seek the truth about which all the scriptures have described. All the scriptures have said, “That you are to be born again.” You are to be born, not to read about it, not to just imagine that you are born again, not to just believe that you are born again or any artificial ritual that certifies that you are born again is to be accepted, but something defiantly has to happen with us. Some experience of reality must take place within us. It’s not just a, an idea that it is so, yes, yes we are born again, now we are the chosen ones, we are the best people. But it’s something definitely, there is something that evolutionary should manifest within us as been predicted by all the scriptures, no exception at all. Right from Hinduism up to the most modern personality, we can say is the new guru Nanaka you can say, is the one who wrote a scripture. In the Koran it is very clearly said that, “You have to become the (sounds like- pheul)” the one who has the knowledge. Veda itself says, “That by reading the Vedas,” Veda means, Veda means to know, “if you do not know then it is useless.”

In the first chapter in the first stanza is so clearly said there “That you have to know.” Something has to happen to our awareness, which does not know. That means that we are so far, away from the knowledge and that something has to happen to our awareness by which we will know more. This knowledge is the pure knowledge of the science of Divine laws, of the Divine powers.

It has been said that, “There is Divine power, All Pervading Power, the Grace of God all around us.” Now if I give you a big lecture on this, every week I can give a lecture “There’s a Divine power here, oh what a great thing it is.” Like the other day one gentleman came to see me and he said, “Oh I am a realised soul, ah, ah, ah, ah, I’m a realised soul. I said, “Really.” “And I’m in the Divine power ah, ah, ah, ah.” Then he said, “It is the Divine power I’m feeling ah, ah, ah, ah.” I started looking at him. I said, “Whom is he befooling?” He’s befooling himself. Who’s at a loss, it is he, it is nobody else. I mean he’s not befooling me by any chance, even if I am a fool, no use befooling me. It is he who is befooling himself. He’s cutting the branch on which he is standing; he is not understanding that his own personality is not worth befooling. And he was on and on for half an hour before me and I didn’t know what to tell him, because what can you talk to these blind people. Those who are blind and know they’re blind and profess they have eyes, they’re the most dangerous people to themselves and to the society. Because once they believe into such nonsense they want everybody to believe into that. Some of them could be genuine fools, some of them could be sinister people.

So it’s an experience that has to take place within you. You are not to believe me either on this point. Like I may say, “Oh, this is it,” and say maybe I may create a big scene, that’s not the thing that is going to help us at all. We are the seekers of truth and unless and until we find it, why should we be satisfied with anything what so ever. So here we are to find out the truth and the truth is very simple. It is so very simple that it’s not possible to believe in it, that you are the part and parcel of the whole, and you have to feel the whole, that’s what you are seeking. All your seeking form ameba stage to this stage is this simple seeking, is to become the part and parcel of the whole which you are all ready, but to know that you are, to know. So to know means in your awareness you should feel that you are the part of the whole. Once you become the whole you do not seek any more. If that seeking is completed you do not seek any more. (DELETE I think that today’s very warm can you open some of the doors. Since I’ve come it has become so warm.) So the main thing one has to learn that you are not to be persuaded by any talk, by any miracles so called, by any tom foolery, but the basic happening must take place.

Now this happening has been planted within us since we were ameba. Like a seed sprouts into a tree, today we are at a stage where we are human beings, and this stage is just a transitory one to jump into another stage where you become that knowledgeable personality. Because that stage is so close that’s why you are seeking very ardently. Now to talk of God in this age of science is impossible. But scientist when they will know there is a knowledge beyond their human understanding, and when they get that awareness within themselves, then only they will know that whatever they have know so far has been of no value. That’s why all these endeavors, all these so called manifestations of human intelligence and all that, has lead them into confusions and problems. They don’t know what to do with themselves. There’s an atomic war on top of heads, there’s another shock on their heads. They don’t know what is going to happen in the future. Despite all their good wishes and benevolence they’re not been able to achieve any blissful state for us.

Now if I say there is God, yes there is, and there is that blissful state within us which we have to achieve by becoming one with the whole, you don’t have to believein it, but don’t deny it. Within us lies that pure desire, absolutely that unmanifested desire within us which in Sanskrit language is called as Kundalini, and this is lying in the triangular bone in three and a half coils. Now in the process of Sahaja Yoga you will see the pulsation of this Kundalini with your naked eyes. Then the pulsation rising, you can also feel the pulsation on the top of your head, about which many great saints have written very openly, especially one of the latest, Kabira has described it very, very clearly. In the sixth century Adishankrachara has described it, even in the Bible you find the description but in a little mysterious way because people were so funny that you couldn’t tell them anything straight off. As it is you know what happened. Everything that has happened on this earth has a Divine plan, especially all the advents of people. Like Christ coming on this earth, Mosses taking people away from slavery, Krishna’s advent on this earth, Rama’s coming on this earth as a benevolent King. All these things have given us a special power within ourselves. These powers are all dormant, they are dormant, we can say they are sleeping just like some candles, which are not yet enlightened. When the Kundalini rises she enlightens these powers within us so this pure desire that is within us to be one with the whole, this connects us to the whole. Not only that, but it awakens all those deeper powers within us which are yet not awakened.

Today I want to tell you about Christ’s powers which has never been before talked about. Because those people who talked about Christ were (sounds like – dangerous,) they were not realised souls. They were just ordinary human beings and even those who are talking about Christ are not realised souls. They are talking without having any knowledge as to this subtle side of Christ. Christ resides within us in this evolutionary process, in that crossing point. His Deity is placed there. Now this was not placed after Christ came in, it was placed much before when human being was created. And then he incarnated on this earth. Now this Deity was specially created to cross that point, that door into the kingdom of God, which is the Sahastrara, is the thousand petaled, that round place which is opened called as limbic area. On the gross level it is called as limbic area. And He was specially created for a very special job, which was never interpreted by people. When the Deity of Christ is awakened with us what does He do? It is said that, “He died for our sins.” Everybody says, “Christ died for our sins so you become Christians so He has died for us and every thing is fine.” You are not a Christian unless and until you are baptised. You’re not a Jew unless and until you are baptised. Now what is the baptism are we having? Do we really get the awakening of Christ within us, do we get the awakening of Moses within us, do we get the awakening of Shri Krishna within us. If so we do not have those powers. When this deity’s awakened within us it is said that, “He died for our sins.” I India we had a long theory of karma. That was at the time of Krishna had described that, “Whatever karmas you do accordingly you are born, accordingly you suffer.”

This theory was at the time of Krishna, who was about six thousand years back. So by this they wanted to tell people that you build up your karmas and you will suffer accordingly, the suffering are due to the past bad behavior, or anti God behavior of human beings. But they found that human beings were just the same. When Moses bought Jews away from there, they were just the same. When Krishna preached, nothing happened to them, they were just the same. They would not look after their karmas, they’re not bothered about their karmas, and they suffered, in their ignorance they suffered because they did not believe in those incarnations. They did not believe in any incarnation what so ever. So they continued with what they were doing, going against their sustenance, against their dharma, against their human benevolence. So something had to be done by which one could create an instrument, which would absorb those karmas once for all.

That’s how Christ was created with very great effort, with very great understanding of human problems. To incarnate on this earth as an ordinary human being and when He resurrected himself He showed by His life that Spirit is eternal. That’s what Krishna told them, “That Spirit is eternal.” Somebody had to prove it, that it is eternal, and Christ proved it, that it is eternal. So far till Christ came in, all the powers of incarnations were expressed as their personal powers, as their personal powers. Means the Goddess She came on this earth to kill demons, Krishna came on this earth to kill demons, to tell them what is right and wrong, Moses came on this earth to save people.

But we needed somebody who would take away the sins, who would pardon the people, who would go on this earth as the embodiment of forgiveness. To forgive the erring human beings who were so ignorant with that love and compassion. Not to show off His great powers, which He has still, but just through his compassion and forgiveness to absorb the sins of these people. And this deity was placed long, long time back within us, who incarnated as a human being on this earth, but we never recognised Him. Can you imagine now we have so many thousand of Sahaja Yogis all over the whole world, can you imagine there was not a single person who really, but for His Mother, really understood Him? Till He got his resurrection then they all started saying ah, ah, ah. Till then nobody would believe, not like you people, but it’s all right because they were not realised, so even that is forgive. That’s why He said, ” That anything against Me will be tolerated,” because He knew people were not realised people. “But after realisation, after getting your enlightenment, if you do not recognise God then He’s not going to forgive.” Imagine the ocean of forgiveness has denied His forgiveness. That would be the greatest crime and the sin, not to recognise God after realisation.

Now He came on this earth to absorb the sins of the people. When the Kundalini rises, and if this Agya opens out which is a very difficult thing, for others I feel it is very much difficult. But in Sahaja Yoga today it has become really easy to awaken Christ and the sins get lost completely absorbed there’s no karmas left. There are many people still flouting this idea of karmas, you see they are still harping on that. Because when Christ came on this earth, and did all these miracles, and when He told them that, “He’s was dying for the sins of the people,” and they knew this, they said it, they started preaching about it, they took Christ like a book. They used Him so wrongly; they never interpreted what it meant. That after becoming a realised soul when you are born again as He said, “You are to be born again.” He said it again and again these things. I must tell you I went to America in seventy three and when I was talking they were all taping Me and people told Me you should not allow them to tape You, must have some sort of a, what you call that, patient or something. I said, “What, it’s very difficult,” and they taped Me and they said, “They’ll be printing all this.” I said, “Good material then.” Let it go, it’s a very good thing. After all for realisation they have to come to Sahaja Yoga. Kundalini awakening that has to happen but let them talk about it.” So actually human beings are so wonderful they know how to make mess of everything.

They created organisations called twice born because I said, “You have to be born again.” So said, “All right, we have an organisation twice born.” And these self-certificate, people are all around quarreling with Me, you see. And they said, “This we got it from America.” And they’re many like these, you see, who believe in this or that. And they’ve formed organisations. By forming organisations you are not going to be born again. It’s a living process; it’s a living thing. You cannot just brand somebody, you are born again, you cannot brand someone it has to happen, but all right what ever has happened to them will come round very soon. So, the principle of Christ when it is awakened within us, all our karmas are absorbed. What a wonderful thing it is, just think of it. Just think of it, no more sins. The past sins are lost, every sin and when the Kundalini pierce Agna you really become thoughtlessly aware, absolutely thoughtlessly aware. This happens to you, not that because I say you should believe it but it happens to you, you yourself should find out. And when the Kundalini pierces the fontanel bone area, means when you really get you baptism in the real sense of the word, when it pierces through, then you feel start feeling the cool breeze in the hand flowing. It’s a happening for which you cannot put in any effort.

But then to keep this Deity alive you have to do something about it, that further more you do not commit (inaudible). Your sins are finished at the point when the Kundalini rises and Christ is awakened, but keep Him awakened. In the beginning it happens I’ve seen that you take to all things again and this leads off. You have to keep Him happy and the methods which are implied to keep them happy is called as Shuda Vidya or Nirmala Vidya, means the pure knowledge. Because once the attention is enlightened, it’s not like this light; of course it has certain powers, when it is, when there is light you can see all these clearly. You start seeing clearly on your centres within yourself and you can see the centres of other people by feeling them on your fingers. This is the minimum of minimum that happens. But you’ll be amazed when these powers are properly raised within us you get an awareness by which if you pay attention to anything it acts, your attention acts. This is what is called, as really Nirmila Vidya, is the one where the attention starts acting by itself. You pay attention to something you just think of it and it works. Normally you attention is nothing but where ever is your desire, wherever you want to go you can go with your attention. But doesn’t act anywhere, doesn’t report anything to you. You pay attention to someone you want to know about and you get connected with that person and you know what’s the matter with that person. So first of all because the Kundalini spreads in the brain you get the awareness enlightened. First that has to be established, that the attention becomes enlightened, and that it becomes active, active not in the wrong way, always on the right side. What ever it does is good, it is good, good for your spirit. There’s a Sanskrit word for that is (sounds like -Hitakard) all your decision making become very easy, because if you use your vibratory awareness immediately you know this is right, this wrong. You can feel it on the vibrations because now you are connected with the absolute, with your spirit any you know what is to be done what is not to be done.

But realisation is something like jumping from dead to life. The attention that was acting like dead becomes alive, every particle of it. So it’s a tremendous change within you and to establish that tremendous change you have to have patience and understanding. Those who have shown that patience and understanding have achieved that establishment very well, those who have not shown that understanding have again gone back to as it is position. I’m here, in no way to form any cult or anything, no way to get any money or any such nonsense. I’m here to make you that knowledgeable personality, which you can be very easily, someone has to do it, you can do it tomorrow. There were two people who went to Australia and they got thousand people realised. In India there’s one gentleman who got ten thousand people realised. You all can do it yourself; first of all you have to establish yourself. It is easy to doubt something, you should doubt, there’s nothing wrong in doubting but one should know that I have nothing to gain.

See there are so many fake people, so many moneymakers and so many misleading personalities that when you come to Me it is better to be that way, I know. But also think that you have come here for seeking there’s nothing to loose but if you get this experience, this is what you are seeking for ages and you are born on this earth in these modern times when this Maha Yoga has started. But it works slowly, you have to get it, there is no way of enlisting you as a Sahaja Yogi, there’s no way. It has to happen, I cannot have you on the register or something like that, put down your names, all right these are the Sahaja Yogis you cannot just do it. If it has not happened to you, you are not there; you have to be there. If you are not there you are not a realised soul you have to have it. So we cannot behave the same way as others do. The other day some Sahaja Yogis asked me, “That they’re used to courses.” That first day you do this course of pulling your nose, second day pulling you ears, and third day pulling your chins. There’s nothing like that in Sahaja Yoga, a course. I have to tell you it’s a living process is something very different. There is nothing like a course because whatever you have to achieve you achieve through your Kundalini awakening. And you realise it, that from thoughtless awareness you jump into doubtless awareness, it’s an awareness, a state which is built within us, how can there be a course for it. There cannot be any course as such, but of course you can learn about Nirmala Vidya, you can learn how to awaken your Deity, you can learn how to raise your Kundalini, you can learn how to raise the Kundalini of others.

The other point, which might upset some of the people who come for the first time, I’ve seen it happens. But there could be some people among here, who call themselves Sahaja Yogis but are not up to the point. Because the door is open to everyone to come in, all kinds of people come in. Some of them may proclaim they are Sahaja Yogis, they may try to misbehave but that doesn’t mean that something wrong with Sahaja Yoga, but the person has not achieved the state. There is nothing to be upset with people who behave like that, you should say, “He’ll be all right.” They get all right afterwards no doubt, we have people who are coming directly for lunatic asylum you’ll be surprised. Don’t be frightened but we had people I don’t know if there is somebody like that today. Directly from lunatic asylum one lady came to see Me in Leeds, and when she went back they said, “We don’t need you here now you are all right.” But now such a person comes in, if you meet that person he’ll say, “Oh I’m a Sahaja Yogi, I’m this, I’m that,” and you are not to believe such a person. You have to believe in your achievements and not the achievements of the other people, this is what the Sahaja Yoga is. While in an artificial place they create a big hallo around them. They’ll have ten people dressed up just to attract you attention to impress you. They’ll dress them up; they’ll study how to influence other people you’ll see, text books, and they’ll make these people look very attractive and very impressive, and they’ll pass you through such big, big halls and big, big corridors and impress you with that you see. And you’ll be amazed when you reach there you’ll find somebody sitting seven steps ahead of you, you have to go a bow to the person without asking any questions, and you’ll do it. Because you will see all these things very, very much the same as you see if you have to go to see a king or if you have to go and see some pope or somebody, that’s how all these things are very impressive.

But for God it is not at all impressive, He can demolish all the wealth of the world and He can recreate. For Him nothing is more impressive that your spirit. The spirit that is within, that’s the most important thing. Not what country you come from, what race you come from, all these nonsensical differences do not exist in the realm of God. You are a seeker and your spirit has to be enlightened. So maybe today we’ve got Caxton Hall, tomorrow maybe we could be sitting near a sea, or maybe somewhere on a hill. We had a problem in Australia, we had to many people we didn’t know what to do. So we went to an open space, one of the parks you can say, and arranged a program. It does not matter where we have the program, how it is organised, maybe it is a little bit disorganised sometimes, may be there is a little problem here and there. That’s not important, you have to experience, the experience that is very beautifully organised within. Inside you’re well organised,see that organisation that is within you and not the organisation that is outside. The thing that is with in you, or the beauty that is within you must see that, experience that, and enjoy that. I hope it will work out with all the new people, I think most of them are already realised, and you all will have a deeper inside, into yourself and you’ll enjoy the bliss and joy of the Spirit and feel the power of collective consciousness within you.

This is all for the new people but today I want to talk to old Sahaja Yogis also something about them, about the Saraswati power within us, which I’ve not yet talked (Delete- can I have some water please) to you so far, because you’re all ready using it to much. The power of Saraswati, this may also upset people that shoes are put up, you see, in England people might think that, “Why to put up the shoes?” But you see they’re supposed to respect even the shoes of a person who has vibrations, because there’re lots of vibrations there. These are all things you have to gradually see why it is done. Not to get upset with things but to understand how we have to respect Divinity and the Divine power within us and within others, you see. Now about, we have three powers within us, so that it will also be (inaudible) to the people who have come for the first time. Is the one power which is starting from the right side goes to the left side is the power of desire. In Sahaja Yoga language we call it is the Mahakali power. These are also awakened within us all these powers are awakened within us because what ever we desire, the desire comes true.

After some time you find you do not desire anything that is not wanted. You only desire something that is for the good of your Spirit, and the Spirit of others. That’s only your desire; you reach that stage where you do not ask. In the beginning people do ask, like things “Mother my father is sick, will you look after him? Mother my brother is wayward he drinks, smokes this that, can you look after him?” Then something else like that, it’s not bad but it’s not the ultimate. But them you start asking, “Mother please give realisation to people.” Then you do not say, “My brother, my sister,” you start thinking about the whole. Then you may say, “England,” you see, come up to that point, “Let England be awakened Mother, please try to help English people, like that then it goes to he whole world, then to the whole universe. That’s how you start expanding yourself, and (sounds like-everyone) starts expanding. The desires change, the priorities change, absolutely you change your priorities. You see you hanker after something, specially the desires of your habits. People are used to certain habits, for example some are smoking, see. You don’t have to tell them don’t smoke, don’t tell them, there’s no need to tell them also it causes cancer or anything, automatically they stop it, overnight, I’ve known people who have been drunkards, overnight they have stopped. The desire changes, the whole priority changes because it is enlightened, the power of desire is enlightened.

But the other power, which is enlightened within us, is the right hand side power is the power of action. The power of action is called as Mahasaraswati. You really act quite a lot by thinking, by planning, by physical exercise. Physically and mentally we are overactive specially in the societies where we are supposed to be developed. We develop through using this power, the power of action. We act and when we feel we have something surplus we take to violence also, very easily. This power of action within us is absolutely exhausted as it is, that causes lots of problems. But because of you changing of desire, action also changes. The persons who were going to pub every night stop going there. They start doing something else which is much more joyful and blissful. The desire changes the action automatically, but you can also change your actions. But the subtle thing of the action is such that you realise that the power is flowing through your fingers. You realise that there’s emission) of power. You go to some place, suddenly you find there’s a release of power, you find something is flowing out in that area. You find out what sort of area is this. You find that some great saint might have died there. Sometimes you go to some place and you find your hands are tingling, you don’t like it, you ask them what sort of a place is this. “This is a place where people were murdered, this happened, that happened people are very, very disturbed, there is no peace within them.”

So the action also changes, you change your movements; you go to places, which make you happier. But the subtle side of the action is this, that the movement of these fingers, even the movement of your hand, the speech, the turning of your eye, everything is enlightened. You start growing with it. When you become subtler and subtler you get to your principle, the principle that is the spirit. And once you reach your principle you can reach the principle of anything. But for that one has to develop the right side in a proper way, is to use your hands properly. For example you’ll find many people raising the Kundalini like this, and may people have a very conventional ideas about things. For example if a pope takes a child puts it in his hand and puts some water from somewhere and makes it is baptised, everybody accepts it, nobody has an objection for that. Or if a priest wears a funny type of a dress, which makes children frightened to begin with or a donkey hat, nobody objects to that, because it is accepted by all our norms you see. In Singapore I was surprised that there is a pub down below and a temple on top and run by the same organisation is accepted. Nobody finds it funny, but if anybody says, “I have to just raise your Kundalin just moves the hand,” “Oh they’re queer people you know, they’re mad.” According to the standard of the unrealised they’re mad. Now how do you raise the Kundalini? We can raise it with the attention, but it should not be done because the others should know that something has been done. Because people unless and until the see something has been done to them they are not going to believe.

Yesterday we had somebody who had bad eczema, very bad eczema. All his hands were absolutely chard and horrible, both the hands and I asked him to put his hand towards Me, maybe he might have been cured only by putting his hands, but I had to make the mark of cross and a swastika on his hands and it cleared out, all became solved. So he saw me doing something, if I had said, “All right, he’ll be all right,” it happens with Sahaja Yogis it can. But if I say that and if it happens, because attention is enlightened, “Oh it might be a coincidence.” So you have to raise the Kundalini with your hand so the person who raises can also see as far as the hand moves the Kundalini moves, you can feel it within your spine. You can see in the spine of another fellow, then you raise it, oh God; it’s coming up, coming up. You see with your hand movement and the others can also see this, and this is the action which one has to understand. When I say you have to give yourself a protection and bondage, you have to give yourself a bhandan through your aura. You have to take your hand down and put it down like that and bring it back. When somebody does that immediately people say, “Oh, they’re mad people, they’re doing hands like this.” I would compare it to Indian classical music you see, when an Indian classical music (inaudible) why not our religious music or this shaky music, you see, then they take the thing in they’re hands and (inaudible). Either you feel they’re going to break or your going to break the way they are all are ah, ah, ah, ah, they go.

So in the beginning it was a shock you know, to see what’s happening, is your life, is gone mad or what is he doing about it. You could not accept it, it is really for old people like me. It was a shock to see the way people were holding on to it and ho, ho, ho and the other people were shaking their legs like this and shaking like that, so they were going like that. One was raising the head this was the first (sounds like -show) is saw, I think about sixty five when I came here. And they you see, just to entertain us, I don’t know what got into they’re head, you see, many ladies had also come. And they invited us to this place called as Talk of the Town, I believe. And there these ladies came and they were turning their legs on top of the heads you see, all the time and we were looking everywhere, what are they up to. They said, “This is dancing.” “Oh this is dancing;” we couldn’t believe that dancing legs is take like that is a dance you know. According to Indian standards is not, in Indian standard the dance cannot be with her long leg like that raising up straight like that. This is exercise; according to Indian standard it is exercise I mean for us the old people I’m saying. But the young people may accept this kind of a, (tape turns over) you know, and the whole thing filled us with such nauseas, and we didn’t know what was happening to us. I was so stunned, I mean somebody should have taken our photographs the way we were ignorant about it.

In the same way the people might find it little abnormal the way we have to do the Kundalini awakening though it’s not so bad you see, I must tell you. It’s quite gracious, in acts very gracious. But one should not have fixed ideas also, you must keep yourself open to see that this is the work of the Divine and one has to raise that. Now somebody might see Christ standing with a finger like that. It has a great meaning, what it means, in Sahaja Yoga you can understand, in Sahaja Yoga you can understand what does this mean, is His Father. You know, those who know what are these fingers for, you will know what it is. He always pointed to these two fingers that is His Father, which he described. Everything that, now Buddha sitting with another kind of a pudra, somebody is doing like this, somebody that, you don’t understand why, why they did it. But we have accepted that point, we have accepted that so we don’t mind. But when this is a new thing that is happening to us, people do not want to accept. This was a very, very secret knowledge once upon a time. Just like you had only one king who had seven wives, but now a days everyone can have twenty-one if they want to.

In the same way in you inner being you are all now capable of becoming kings. You are all capable of becoming great beings. Outside you have lost inside you have gained. Outside you have lost much, much by thinking that all these wrong things that these so called powerful people did was something to be achieved, that’s how you’ve lost, but your spirit has gained. It has gained a lot because you realised now, you have reached that stage where you realise that it was a mistake. It was a mistake that we thought this kind of power is going to make us happy, this kind of thing is going to give us joy. Now you are realising, all of a sudden realising that was not the thing we asked for. It’s a miserable state that we have landed ourselves (tape sound drops out here) in and the inner joy has to be achieved and you are just ready for that.

So this action power within us has to be kept very clear. Now for Sahaja Yogis as I say, there is no ritual that (inaudible), ritualistic things always make you absolutely dead. There should not be, like early in the morning you start with a mantra go on repeating mantra like a mechanical thing, it’s absolutely paying no respect to the deity. But in a proper way whichever Deity you want to awaken, think of the Deity, try to cleans it with all understanding and deliberation with respect, is the protocol. And not just to take somebody’s name, just go chanting any mantra you feel like. (Sound returns) it’s not a mechanical thing. Some people just start doing it mechanically because they have done things before also mechanically. Sahaja Yoga is a thing that has to come from heart. It is heart felt. If you do not do it from your heart it has no meaning. You may carry on like that but you’ll find after sometime you have lost your vibrations, you have lost the cool breeze. Because heart doesn’t like mechanical things, every day it does new things. Like the living things, there are every day a new flower and new style a new method it never sticks on to habits; it never sticks on to the same routine (inaudible). This way you come sometime, the other way you come sometime. It’s bubbling everyday with new appearances and so the mechanical things that you do deaden this power of Saraswati. One has to do it with complete love toward yourself and towards others, with complete esteem of you being and the esteem of others. The whole behavior should be such, while I find some people are still taking to very childish behavior. And some are taking to very broodish behavior. Sahaja Yoga should be in the centre. There’s a difference between childish and childlike. You can be innocent like a child but you’re mature, you understand things and the both things make a special dignified personality of such a person. All these things come to you from this right side power when you use it properly. Unless and until you have this properly established you cannot impress other people by your behavior. Other people, new people who come to you should see this majesty, this royalty within you, which you are enjoying as a blessing from God Almighty.

May God Bless you

I would like to have some questions from the new people it’s a good idea. ( Delete- Hello, hello they recognise me. Let them enjoy, let them have their freedom they know what to do. What ever they do they have a meaning.) Can I have some questions?

Question asked by seeker,very difficult to hear and understand.

You mean to say, “After a great illness can you be born again.” Yes, yes of course yes, actually when you are born again you are cleansed completely you get cured. We have cured cancer. Cancer is very easy to be cured by Sahaja Yoga. So many diseases are cured just as soon as the Kundalini comes up it has a cleansing power. It cleanses, your physical, your mental, your emotional being, it does cleans no doubt about it. It does, but it just does it because that’s its job. (Sounds like- Sobhava ) is the nature, that’s the nature of Kundlini that it cleanses.

Same seeker speaks to Shri Mataji about health problem. (difficult to hear)

Now you see, this is the thing is doctors only know the physical side of human being they do not know the mental side, you see. And you’ll be surprised that I found out even a disease like cancer starts from mental side, its from the left side it starts. Now the doctors have accepted that there are some proteins within us, which are placed in the areas, which are unknown to us, since our creation and they attack us. So the problem you have had, doctors will say there’s nothing wrong till it manifests its physical side. So if there is any problem in your chest we will know first and doctors will know much later, maybe it will be so difficult that they may not be able to do anything about it. Now the other day we had a boy who suffered from Asthma, who could not be cured by anything, but it could be cured by SahajaYoga, because it not only caters to the physical side but to the mental side. You don’t have to go to psychologist and to a doctor. Only your Kundalini does everything and your spiritual problems.

Like we had a telephone call from Australia saying that there’s one gentleman who has come from Transcendental Meditation and he is behaving like an animal, he’s growling and he’s making all kinds of noises this and that and he has been to doctors to show this, and the doctor said, “We cannot cure the people who go to TM. ” Better ask TM people, he asked TM people they said, “You are stressing and you are taking out the stress and this and that. And he said, “This is an eternal process, for the last twelve years I’ve been nothing but stressing out. What am I stressing out, nothing comes out it is increasing.” But on the phone I told him something, which relieved him of his problem. So these things cannot be understood by doctors, even the doctors have to come for this. The phycologists do not know about the physical side and the physical doctors do not know about the phycology. When you are, I said it to you there must be some problem, and now if it is clear you see about it. And you your self (inaudible) and you yourself felt that way. (Seeker Speaks -difficult to hear) Yes it was there, but doctors won’t be able too. So it’s such a subtle thing it finds out everything, even before the trouble starts you see. Which is manifesting outside we know it inside even the slightest (sounds like – of it), even the slightest of it.

Delete (Yes what is it. (Seeker speaks but really hard to hear properly talks of feeling’s of seeking)

Here is out attention in the stomach here is the attention within us, and is the principle of the guru. Is the principle of the master the Primordial Master, he is within us here he is to be awakened. Now the guidance we take from others you see sometimes could be upsetting that,or the way we listen to some people you see, some people talk we just don’t like it, it goes you see, sometimes with Me this, that even if I see somebody I feel something is like that, you see. That sensitivity is a very good sign and it can be corrected, is Sahaja Yoga that you can register it, but you do not feel that sense. You just register of course, but that sensitivity is not lost but in fact it’s not so much you just feel it and you just say, “He’s catching on the void,” you see that’s all. Then you see it is happening to another person not to yourself, that’s what happens to you after realisation. You get rid of all that, is a very good sign to have all that. It is of course it is. (Seeker speaks to Shri Mataji not audible) Yes, that’s a very good sign, very good sign that you are very sensitive about it. That means you are a seeker of ages.

Seeker talks about his health and kidney problems and an operation.

That’s it, what it is, that’s what without seeing how you do how can you say. And you must see, you must see for yourself this is what is Sahaja Yoga in which you have to see. And the knowledge that comes to you is so, so much clear cut, but first you don’t believe it, you just can’t believe it, it’s so fantastic just don’t believe it. But like this say now she goes and tells somebody about this they’ll say, “Oh this woman,” either they’ll say, “She’s mad” or they’ll say, “She needs psychological treatment,” or they’ll say, “Forget it.” Nobody is going to believe you see, because they don’t have this problem. You see that’s it, unless and until you see it your not going to see it that’s very true. What you say is true, unless and until you see it how are you going to believe.

Any other question?

Seeker speaks to Mother.

(Delete – So then how are you feeling now? Seekers answers Shr Mothers question) No it was something else you see which you will know gradually what it was, it has to be cleared out. It’s not a germ it’s a, from the left side you are getting it from the back here is a centre, yellow centre you see here has two sides right and left it moves on both the sides. And on left side is the centre which we call as left swadisthan, we call it left swadisthan is the centre which is for black magic. You see when people do any black magic on you, you get a problem and naturally when it starts manifesting it affects the kidney because it is very close to the kidney. So it’s the, first it starts as a black magic thing and then when we raise the Kundalini it was pushed up to here and could not get out from there you see. So the thing is that it moves also, you can feel the movement of it, after sometime if it is not gone you feel it’s here, it’s here, it’s here the thing starts moving and doctors may say, “You better take B complex,” you see to get rid of it. You cannot, it’s a spirit, it’s a spirit that moves and once it starts moving you know how to take it out and how to work it out.

So there are ways and methods by which we really take it out. There is a force, a satanic force that does all these things, is a fact. He has felt you, he has that sensitivity you must see that sensitivity also. See on the stomach, because your stomach is weak. They know how to work, where to work, where to go. I’m so interested in that.

Somebody ask Shri Mataji a question.

If they’re blocked we have ways and methods how to raise them.

Seeker speaks to Shri Mataji.

I think the first, second, third, fourth one you mean to say. That is the centre of security and if it is blocked you problems, like breast problems and things like that and also breathing sometimes you get. Is a sense of security and there is a Deity there. Is the Deity, which is the Mother of the Universe you see, and you have to awaken her, if she’s awakened then you don’t have those problems. It’s very simple. Are you feeling the cool breeze? (Seekers answers)

Just put your hand towards Me. ( Delete-Yes it’s something like that. Seeker makes a comment.) Now all of you just put your hands towards Me like this, close your eyes, put you legs straight on the ground, straight on the ground just like that. But as I told you even if you get realisation doesn’t mean that you’ve achieved it. You have to establish it, which is very important because the whole thing is a transformation and to establish it, it takes time. So just coming today, getting realisation finishing off, is of no help to you, is a waste of time for Me and you also. And again you’ll come back with a greater problem because once you are realised you must establish. You must establish is an essential part of the whole thing. Will you please take your hands towards Me.

Seeker speaks to Shri Mataji.

Some people get it really permanently I think, some people do get it permanently but some people leave it for a while. You see it is for us to maintain (sounds like- if you establish your self,) once it is awakened it’s awakened. I’ve seen people who get lost for about four or five months again they come back. But then they are not so much progressed as the people who have continued to progress you see. You must know that you are the seekers, without seeking you are not going to be helped. So why go half-baked about it, it’s no a shopping you see it’s something that is (inaudible) that’s important, that’s vital. You must know something that is vital.

Seeker speaks to Shri Mataji

No, no there’s no time, no space, no time, nothing. Which is all the time you are in meditation, all the time what ever you are doing you are in meditation.

So please put you hands towards Me. Put you hands towards Me. Close your eyes please. (Delete She to has a little breathing problem that needs to be corrected.) Close your eyes please close your eyes. Put your hands straight towards me straight like this, because if there is any shaking in the hands you can see. Little bit away from your, like this, you see. Not on the knees because in the beginning you must see where is the heaviness. Now what if feel is more on the heart now put your right hand on the heart, right hand on the heart. Now you have to ask for forgiveness. Saying that, “If we done anything wrong please forgive us.” You have to ask twice for forgiveness. Now when I say that immediately you start catching the centre it shows that you are guilty. You are not to be guilty once you say that it’s finished, that’s why you say it, just to clear it out, just put your hand on your heart and your left hand towards Me. You say it without any guilt (inaudible) just say it. Because you could have committed mistakes after all to err is human and to forgive divine. Do not build up any guilt at all, what is this guilt for? (Delete-Mother speaks – inaudible Let someone take the baby and (inaudible) around.) Do not build your guilt, that is one thing happens very often, you catch on the heart, you ask for forgiveness and you start thinking I’ve done this, I’ve done forget about it, forget it, forget it.

So it goes to the third point this is a very common circuit in the developed countries, the third circuit is where you have to forgive yourself and forgive others. Agya chakra you catch, so you forgive. First of all you forgive yourself, you have to respect yourself because you are the temple of God. Forgive yourself, can you forgive yourself, close your eyes and forgive yourself. Respect yourself; you have to respect yourself because you’re asking for something, because you deserve it. Whatever you have done is finished now so just forgive yourself. Now you put your right hand towards Me, and left hand on the stomach, and forgive others. Just on the stomach more on the liver, forgive others, forgive others. Forgive everyone even if they’ve harmed you just forgive them because by remembering that you are miserable for nothing at all. Now put both the hands towards Me and watch Me without thinking, let’s see if you can do it without thinking. Just watch Me without thinking. (Sound is now very poor) Not by thinking, without thinking.

Now there are many (inaudible) you can still feel and you can stabilise it. but as your awareness you have everything, but in the beginning you try to raise the Kundalini to establish it, then only certain things are close to you (sounds like-visually because you ignore.) Because truth is something you cannot bear it. They could not bear the truth that Christ was an incarnation, that He was the Son of God, very difficult for human beings (sounds like _ I must say) tremendous ego that they cannot bear anything. So everything is not told to you at the beginning. But gradually you will build up that sense because, because you don’t go on in anyway that this (sounds like – new body is itself)(inaudible). (sound returns but lots of background sound and very hard to hear)And once you are ready to receive this thing in its full capacity you (inaudible) in the beginning (inaudible) of the Diety the Spirit that you are. But even with this yourself (inaudible.)

But first of all you must cure yourself, you must respect yourself and cure that is very important. If you have been to other guru’s and you’ve been harmed by them, then there are certain things (inaudible). Between left side problems or anything there are certain things need to be done for that you have to come to the centre (inaudible) coming out, all about what has to be done. Because now you are realised you can cure yourself you don’t need anybody else to do it. Only thing you have to know how to do it. Once you cure yourself you can cure others(inaudible) For curing your this troubleor any other trouble there are particular things that have to be done and they’ll tell you how to do it, ( Sound quality returns) how to awaken the Diety of the Primordial Master within us by which He looks after the void. And all the other problems can be solved as soon as you know how to solve them, all that knowledge is absolutely free with love, with great joy you can’t pay for it, never pay for it. (inaudible) I hope every Monday you’ll get a (inaudible) to come here. There may be some negative forces which will come, drop in but don’t listen to them, definitely don’t listen to them. establish yourself (inaudiable) These are your own absolutely your own (inaudible) May God bless you. the feeling on top of your head (inaudible) you can see it very clearly. (inaudible) so happy you know that (inaudible ) (sounds like- Jai Shri Mataji) Something you know, you see (inaudible) all right, (very poor recording only odd words audible)

Then you start seeing things how it works out, it just works out, it works out.

H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi