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What is the need for Sahaja Yoga? Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 14 April 1982.
The other day, on the radio, they asked a very nice question, which I think I should handle first. The question was ‘What is the difference between other sects and Sahaja Yoga?’ It’s a very good question because it gives you a relative idea as to what is reality, and what is not.
First of all, we should see what is the need of Sahaja Yoga. ‘Sahaja’, as you know, is ‘Saha’, means ‘with’, ‘Ja’ means ‘born’; is born with you. Means is spontaneous, it is with you. What is with you is the right to be united with the Divine, that’s, to be in yoga, to be united with God. Now, there are people who just don’t believe in God, either – is quite possible, they are frightened to hear the name of God, because of various experiences they have had, the various ideologies that have prevailed. But God exists, no doubt, whether you like it or not. But unless and until you have felt the existence of God, to believe in God is difficult; one can understand that.
Now, what is Sahaja Yoga? In Sahaja Yoga what actually happens to a personality is this: that the sleeping power, or we can say un-awakened power within you, which is your germinating power, rises, passes through the various subtle centers within you, and pierces through this fontanel area, and, what we call it, as a ‘baptism’, as a blessing or the grace of the Holy Ghost, you get your realization. It’s a happening, it’s actualization, it is living, it is living. It is the blessing of the living God, not of an artificial one.
Like anybody calling you, says ‘Alright, let me baptize you’ and just puts their hand on the head; it may not be baptism at all, because how can he, because he has not raised your Kundalini? It’s like any seed, supposing we have, and the seed, we say that this seed is living, alright? How do you prove it? Unless and until you germinate it, how can you prove that it’s a living thing? So the germination has to take place. Unless and until that happens, how can people believe in anything, whatever you may call it?
So this rebirth has to take place, as everybody has told. Now, we need not sort of deny all that, defy all that, but we can keep ourselves open to understand what is the thing they are talking about. Now, why? What is the need, what is the need for a person to get his realization? That’s the main thing. First of all, people have said, ‘You are the Spirit’. All right, we may be so; why? What is the need to be the Spirit? We are all right as human beings, as flesh, everything; what is the need to be realized? And once you understand the need, then you’ll understand what is Sahaja Yoga, and what the other sects are.
The need is this, that you are a part and parcel of the whole. Like a big primordial being you can think of, and He has many cells, and you are one of the cells. But you are not aware of it. You are not yet collective. Now, the difference between collective and a mass system is different. In a mass system, I mean, you can hypnotize complete mass – they’ll start dancing, jumping, screaming, shouting. You can do what you like to masses; I mean, if the masses are of a weak-minded thing you can ask them to commit suicide. You can tell them anything they will do, if you just want to use the mass media. Like they become hysteric. Actually it is a special thing within us which makes you mimic others; is a very ancient thing within us, very, very ancient, that we were – as animals – we used to do that.
See, you have seen birds. Have you ever seen the birds like cranes flying out? They always go in a triangular way, and as the one, the leader, turns, all the rest of them follow it, very automatically. So that’s this instinct we had to follow others, you see, to copy others. That’s a very deep training to our being, that we try to follow others, and that’s why; what happens, we see some people going somewhere, so we think ‘Oh, we should also do the same thing’. It’s that competition between us.
See, this competitiveness has also come from the same seed within us of copying others. See, we try to copy others, like ‘clubbing’, now, we have a club, say, club of people who dress up like white, er, suits and things. Then there are clubs with a certain type of dress, or you can find, as I last time told you, yards and yards of black suitings, you see, walking in ‘elite’ societies. I mean, it’s just clubbing you know. They just want to club it together, put it together, then uniforms are there, and then you have to wear the uniforms, and you sort of feel that you are a part of the mass. It’s a part of the mass, now. Again, this is a mass thing.
But Sahaja Yoga is a collective thing. People talk of collectivity, all of them talk of collectivity, but it is only rational, it is artificial. For example, a husband and wife must live together happily. Now the reason for that they give is that if they don’t live happily, this will happen to children, that will happen to children, that will happen, and that it may be that it won’t be good for both of them, so we reason it out, go to a point, a ‘rational’ point you call it, a logical point where we say, ‘Alright, we should not give up the relationship between husband and wife.’
But supposing husband and wife get realized. Then, what happens, they become aware of their duty as parents, aware. Awareness is a very different thing from just be in mass. Like, husband, wife feel that, you see, marriage is not thinking but you just feel it within yourself, not as a feeling of emotional style, but actually becomes your being. For example, after realization you start feeling the cool breeze in the hand. But supposing the husband wife are trying to deceive each other, immediately the vibrations will go away. They’ll feel no cool breeze – it’s finished. They cannot proceed more further within.
Supposing a person has bad habits, say some dirty habits he has developed in his childhood, and he’s continuing with it. After realization, if he starts indulging into it, immediately he’ll find he’s feeling uneasy and his vibrations are lost. He becomes aware – means on his central nervous system he can feel the bad effects of what we call as ‘bad’. He feels burning, he feels different centers are in trouble, I mean he can feel it just like as you can feel it hot and cold on your fingers.
So, when you become aware, then real collectivity can come. It is not a rational thing to say, ‘Oh, we are interdependent, and we have to help each other. We must do this in a way that nobody should be harmed, that we should not be harmed.’ All this rationality is not needed – for, supposing tomorrow, if somebody tries to put a pin through, immediately the another hand will go there and hit the person and this hand will go back. All the body will react, automatically. The whole body will react to aggression on one side, or any kind of problem, but it is aware. It is not doing with rationality, there is no, it is spontaneous. There is no question of anybody thinking about it, but it happens just spontaneously.
So, to preserve ourselves, to preserve our body, mind, everything, is a disintegrated action before realization. For example, before realization, the brain will say, ‘All right, you do like this’, but the heart will say, ‘No’. For example supposing a man falls in love with a married woman, so the heart says, ‘Oh, carry on, she’s a nice lady.’ Brain says, ‘No it’s not proper you see, disturbing her family life is not a good thing.’ The dharma, the religion part in the stomach, which is also a reality, it is not the dharma we talk of in the church or anything. [The gentleman can come here, please, there’s a seat here. May God bless you.]
So that can be done, but the realized person does everything in an integrated way. In an integrated way, like if he is in love with a married lady, immediately he cannot fall also, he cannot fall in love with a married lady, just will not, he just doesn’t do. No question of them saying, ‘Lead us not into temptation’, you just don’t do bad things. We just don’t like it, because you become aware, and the awareness is not rational at all. We cannot think of awareness which is not rational, because whatever is not rational, according to us, is nonsensical, is erratical, is arbitrary, is nonsensical. But it is a sense that develops with you. It’s an actual sense within you that develops, not the way it is developed with thinking, the sense with your mind, but the sense in your organs, in your body, in your being and in your heart, that you just don’t do it. This is awareness and this is collectivity, and those who cannot rise to collectivity cannot be good Sahaja Yogis.
And once you understand that this comes through the awakening of your spirit, then you understand all the problems of the world can only be solved if human beings become that collective being. That collective being is the Spirit, and this collective being, if it is, if it is somehow awakened in our attention, then we automatically become that. Automatically we become collectively conscious. We don’t have to rationalize it – just there. Means a little child will immediately say ‘Oh, Mother, see, this man has got problems.’ ‘Now, how do you know?’ ‘Oh, all my fingers are burning.’ That person is not denounced because he’s not well, whatever may be the problem. That person is not discarded, nor is told that he’s good for nothing, but, immediately you feel the problem as a witness of that person, and you have a power, because you are collectively conscious. As you can correct within yourself you can correct others also, because you are collectively conscious. Means you have the power to correct another person, to relieve him of the pain, troubles and everything, to help him out, to cure him, to do whatever is needed just by yourself. Because, at the point where you are, at the Spirit point, you are one with the Spirit. I would say, like, while I’m talking to you I’m only connected with this to you, but supposing I was on a radio station, then I’m connected with many. That point of connection is the Spirit, and unless and until you have achieved that point of connection, the rest of your – all your doings – are good for nothing.
Now, what is the difference between a sect and Sahaja Yoga? In Sahaja Yoga, an individual, an individual; again, we are all individuals before realization. The other day, as I told you in Easter, we are all like the eggs, and that’s the sign of a human being, that he’s still an egg. He lives in a shell, he thinks of himself, he thinks of his family, it’s good in a way, he thinks of his country. Everything good, up to that point, because he’s a shell. Whatever he tries to make himself big, you see, United Nations, everything you’ve been, but that shell business will remain in you. It will be there, showing results. But when you get that shell broken completely, you are a bird, you just fly out.
So, the Day of Resurrection, as I said, the Day of Resurrection, has started, is mentioned in the Koran, many a times, much more times than about the Day of Doom. This is the Day of Resurrection, where people have to be resurrected to be their Spirits, as Christ Himself has done that for us, by crossing the gates of Agnya chakra.
Now this is not a sect, because there is nothing unreal about it, nothing unreal. There’s no hypnosis, nothing, you are completely aware of what you are doing, you are aware that there is your power within yourself, and that power is flowing, and that you become that power. But that power is not of domination, or overpowering anybody, but of love, but of love of God, which is doing each and every work of this world.
For these flowers have come out from that, these flowers become fruit because of that. Because of that power people conceive children, because of that you are born, because of that power you have become from amoeba to this stage.
So, that instinct of the mass is very much now prevalent, and used in this sense. They just give a mass feeling to people, that, you see, a competition is set in. First of all, in all these western cities, western cities especially, people are conscious of their money power. So they use that also, so you pay some money; like on a horse, you pay a certain amount, they pay for a sect. ‘So much money, I’ll pay.’ The other says, ‘Have you paid so much?’ I mean, you’ll be surprised, in the elite societies they talk like that – ‘Oh, these days, you know, I’m having so much of money, and I want to go and join a sect – this sect or that sect or that sect.’ Because a competition has set in. Anywhere you see these musicians and singers when they sing. Actually, it was all maneuvered, it was all maneuvered in the beginning, that they get hold of some people who are weak-minded, who do not know their willpower, so to overpower them and use that instinct, that subconscious instinct in them to excite them, and once they’re excited they all go mad, all go mad, and they become hysterical. And that hysteria is used today, out and out, by all the sects, and that’s why people are so crazy. If you look at them, you can’t believe they’re anywhere near God. How can they be? They all look crazy, possessed, mad people.
But this collectivity is to be understood in its own dimensions in Sahaja Yoga. This is the second task of Sahaja Yoga, which is more difficult than the first one. To give realization is not at all difficult, because it’s a natural thing, it is within you, the time has come, the blossom time is there, you get realization without much difficulty. If not in one sitting, in second sitting you’ll get it, no doubt, but to establish you as a collective cell of the whole is a very difficult thing, and unless and until you are that you are thrown out of the whole. If you don’t become aware of it you are just thrown out.
Now, collectivity in Sahaja Yoga does not mean that you wear some kind of dresses – all of you wearing same kind of dresses, or doing the same type of thing, or jumping or any such thing which has no sensible logic in it. It is the collectivity that you feel within yourself, that nearness you feel, not emotionally, also I would say, people think it’s an emotional attachment to people. It’s not emotionally also – it is beyond emotions, it is beyond thought, it is the Spirit. Because everybody has got this Spirit in them. Only thing, you have to become the Spirit.
Now anything you see, even, we can say, going to a temple. Now, in India, ladies are busy dressing up if they have to go to the temple. They’ll find out ‘What sari she’s wearing, what sari am I going to wear?’ like we do it in the churches also. We go there with our best dresses, just watching what dress she has on, then we come out of the church, directly we ask the question, ‘Where did you get this one?’, you see. So the whole attention is on a social contact, a social ‘mass’ feeling within ourselves. So we are not individuals at all at that time, not at all. First we have to be absolute individuals, and then you become a complete, aware part of the whole.
But, if you are not an individual, say that’s why people who belong to these sects, or belong to some sort of a commitment, or to an organized place, they find it difficult, because they are not yet prepared to accept that individual jump into the whole. If the whole of it comes, well and good. If the whole doesn’t come they are sticking on to it, though it can be very superficial also, like, you see, in England is a custom to put the fork and spoon in a particular way. In France it is different, in somewhere it is different. Now, even that can be a club-forming stuff for us, because, you see, we are Americans we’ll put it this way, we are English we’ll put it this way, if we are French we’ll put it this way. But it is such a superficial sort of a thing and if you go into it it’s all superficial. All our clubbing is superficial.
Now, if you start getting after it and reacting against it, then you are destroying yourself. You are completely destroyed. There is no need to destroy anything like that, but to be understanding that ‘this is superficial’. Nothing, you should not waste your energy in fighting anyone of these. There is no need to fight anything, to get out of it. There’s no need to fight any such thing. What happens, that by fighting you lose your energy for nothing at all. On the contrary, you should understand that all these things are artificial, and you should wait for a moment when you get the reality. But if you fight them also there’s a problem. If you don’t fight them and you become one, there’s a problem. So, both things are energy-sapping. We go on thinking, thinking, thinking about it, where do we reach? We reach nowhere.
So Sahaja Yoga is a system which is the system of the nature. Is not a system of human beings, which is artificial, or an organization, or a mass movement, nothing of the kind. Is the system of the nature itself, which has made you a human being, an individual, now, like an egg.
Now this individual has to become, not the mass, which is an animal instinct, but to become collectively conscious, has to become. Is a consciousness, means on the central nervous system you feel that consciousness, and that is what is the reality. We go about into anything understanding that this is right, that is right, is all mental. If you understand everything whatever is mentally available, you are still in the shell. But what you feel is the point. What you feel on your central nervous system is your real consciousness. The rest of it is your mental activities, imagination, or whatever is mental is manmade, it has no meaning. Like we have written books after books, I don’t know how many energies have been wasted in doing all sorts of things. Books after books are written about this, that, all kinds of yarns and yarns of, I should say, imaginary wanderings about things.
But that’s not the thing, you see, it’s within yourself. That’s within yourself, is your own spirit, that resides there in your heart, is your own power, which you should get. And if you can feel that power then you will be amazed that you don’t have to have any United Nations Organization and all that. You really enter into the Kingdom of God in the sense that you get that power of love, which makes you extremely loving, sweet, I should say magnetic, extremely gentle, and also could be very powerful if it comes to use of power. It’s extremely powerful. In your behavior you become an extremely attractive person in the sense that you do not give trouble to others. You do not – on the contrary, you are a troubleshooter, I should say, you are a person who is a peacemaker. Wherever you stand you create peace and happiness, but this is still outward. Inside, you are so tranquil and blissful, and the highest above is that you are so connected that, even verbally, if you ask any question, ‘Is there God?’ you start getting great vibrations. The rapport is established; you can see the rapport is now established, you can talk to God.
It’s easy to say that there is no God; it’s very good, because then we have no headaches, people think, but all the headaches come because of this kind of a belief also, that there is no God. And also there will be headaches if you believe that there is God without knowing it. Both things, according to Me, are still the two sides of a pendulum. It is not in the centre, or we can say this is how we go to the right and to the left, but do not ascend. For the ascent, this actual thing, this living thing, this germination, has to take place, and that is why Sahaja Yoga transcends all these nonsensical sects, absolutely. It has no respect for them, it has no respect, because it saps the energy of human beings, it puts them down, it doesn’t give them a chance to rise to their own power which is within themselves. But, with understanding that, after all, human beings are ignorant about it, they are not very sure, it’s alright if they’re involved with any other such things, doesn’t matter.
But, in a sect, if you go – I was surprised, I went to a ‘Unity Church’ a Unity Church, imagine, Unity Church, in Houston. They were kind enough to invite me there and they didn’t know how outspoken I was about things, you see, poor things were in for trouble I think, after My coming. But, whatever it is, I was surprised; they were selling all kinds of books there, all kinds, which are satanic, which are mass movements, which are very detrimental to human beings, and they knew they were. Like, in a church they were selling books of a man who is treating licentiousness, permissiveness, can you imagine? Such a contradictory thing, I mean either Christ was wrong or this man was wrong, how can you have both the things together? And they were saying ‘This is Unity’. This is not unity, this is not unity. This is such a superficial unity of getting all the dust, filth everything together and gold with it, and saying ‘Now you have it’. Do you put in your food the poison and then eat it, because you want to unite it? You can only unite things which can be united. You cannot unite all the mess of the world together and say this is unity. You cannot unite Christ with a man who is teaching licentiousness, permissiveness and all kinds of dirty tricks.
So, one has to understand the mind plays a very big trick in this, that the mind itself is a very, very tricky thing, it’s a very intelligent thing, and it beats you there. And you start understanding, ‘Oh, let it be, doesn’t matter’ and you start compromising. How can there be compromise between the food and the poison? Can you have strychnine with food? Simple thing as that. We have to separate, we have to say, ‘This wrong, this is right.’
Whether people like it or not, if we have to respect human life, if you have to respect this great creation of God, if you have to see that they get what that is promised to them, are we going to play with their lives, with their body, with everything? Like there are some people who believe that drugs can take you to God. I mean, just imagine the absurdity of it. Now, thank God people know that drugs harm your attention, harm your awareness.
There was a book written, I was told, I met somebody in Vancouver, who has got a PhD, by a book which was written by – I’ve forgotten the name of the gentleman – who has described that the alcohol takes you to spiritual life. And I say absurd. The thing that goes against your awareness itself, how can it take you to awareness which is enlightened? It would be something like to cover this light, break all the bulbs, everything, and that will take you to light. It is absolutely absurd. The whole statement is absurd. You cannot go to God if you try to harm your body, harm your mind, harm yourself. Even a person who has had a bad childhood, who has suffered because of something, say war, or something, even such a person is a little less blessed in the beginning; we have to work on him to put his mind at rest, put his body at rest, to see that there is equilibrium within him, and then only he can get realization. Anybody who is a disturbed man, who is upset, we have to put it right.
Now, some people have definitely felt that drugs are going to solve the problem, honestly they have felt it; I know they have been very honest about it. They have taken drugs; doesn’t matter. That also can be neutralized, because you are seekers; you have just done that because you are seeking. Is that – the main thing is that you must see and that you must get it, is the main object of Sahaja Yoga, that is yours.
So, whatever may come, whatever may have happened, doesn’t matter. It’s going to be corrected, it’s going to work out. And then, overnight, people give up because they realize that this is ‘it’.
All problems of humanity are because we have not yet found out our Spirit, which is a collective being. All international problems, say, all your political problems, all your economic problems, come from that one thing which has not happened to human beings; you are still in transition.
I would say it would be something like people who are still in the water, getting halfway up and halfway down. They don’t know whether we are to be saved or not. But once you have reached the shores that’s all right. That’s a little breakthrough that has to take place and people have to establish their collective consciousness.
So there are many who get realization, you see, many come here, they get their realization, then disappear. I have seen. They feel very happy, everything done, now! Nothing; you have to become collectively conscious after that. Means you have to educate yourself to understand how to feel that collectivity within yourself. That is more important, more difficult for human beings, because they all like – what d’you say? – a quick happening, a very quick happening. And a quick happening takes place, no doubt, but that quick happening is just taking you to a point where you have to stay, you have to become. If becoming is the thing, like an egg breaks into a nice little bird, but the bird must learn to fly. If it does not educate itself to fly, it remains something in between egg and bird, and anybody can eat that off. It has no quality as a bird which can save itself, protect itself, and can fly and enjoy. It has no quality of a bird if it is just roaming about like cock and hens, you see, when they were in the forest, they used to fly, I have seen these forest ones flying very high. They can fly just like an eagle, but if you see them on the ground, if they are settled down on the ground, they are eaten up by people who can catch them – anybody can catch them.
So to have that quality, the quality of that collective being, one has to educate and rise above that shell system, that system that has bound them, that has made them an individual, which was important, to have a shell for you. The individuality was very, very important, otherwise you would not have been matured. So that, a time comes that shell must be broken. Like now, the car is important for me to bring down here, but I have to leave the car to come down inside. In the same way you have reached a certain stage that, up to that point it was alright, but you don’t have to carry it on any further, and you have to settle down with the new dimension, a new life within you, and that’s what is your second birth.
For this, God has placed everything within ourselves, you see there a system – did anybody speak about Kundalini? You should have. All right, doesn’t matter. Now, you see, every time I don’t want to repeat about Kundalini and all that. And there is a system within us called the Kundalini. All is within us. Now, it is very easy to sit down and say, ‘Now, Mother, how do you say it is so?’ I mean, it’s good, you see, because people want to know about it, how is it we have the Kundalini in the triangular bone? And then we say that there are subtle centers which look after, I mean which manifest outside our gross centers, and all these things. We do talk about it, but you can all doubt, ‘Let’s see, how can there be such a thing? How are we to believe You?’ But why not? Because I’m not taking any money from you, nothing. By believing Me, what is your loss? It’s nothing. Now the people who are here, you should see, and ask them. Their lives are all changed. They have become different people. They’re enjoying themselves, they’ve got their own powers, they can manifest them, they have become experts. They look so simple, just like you, but if you see their faces you will see how blooming they are. Apart from that, that they know all about it, they are masters and scholars, and they are great gurus, sitting down here around you, and you can also become that.
So, there’s nothing to doubt. But now, supposing you are a ‘doubting Thomas’, you see, you will doubt. I don’t mind if you doubt, also. We’ll try to solve the doubt. The main thing is of making you the Spirit. That’s our job. For that we are here and you are also for that, so it is better to cooperate with us than to argue and discuss and spoil everybody’s attention. You see, some people are such reactionaries, they come, ask questions, and when it comes to realization they just run away. Mostly we have seen such people, who sit down with a very doubting mind all the time, but for what are you doubting? What are you going to lose? What are you going to lose here? Nothing. If you have a cancer you can be cured. If you have mental problems they can be cured, all the problems can be cured as a blessing of God. It’s true, and, apart from that, you become your own power. But, if it is a mass system you don’t doubt. You see so, for example, we go to church, we don’t doubt, just we don’t doubt. We don’t doubt the priest, we don’t doubt anybody. We go to a temple, we never doubt the priest, we just pay as everybody’s paying – it’s a mass system. It is not – here you are an individual, and that’s why you doubt.
You are an individual now and you doubt, but I would suggest that better to have your realization than to waste your energy in doubting. Because if you are all seekers, you are going to get your realization, if not today, tomorrow. But only thing, why delay? Sooner the better. But if you have any questions I would like to answer them.
We have all this Kundalini and all that and I wish Gavin had told you about it or somebody should have told you. Next time we’ll have a lecture about Kundalini, what it is, how it gives realization, how it rises, how it pierces through different chakras, pierces through your fontanel bone area, and also how it gives you of these Chaitanya Lahiris, what we call as the ‘Cool Breeze’ in the hand: cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, and that’s what you have to see.
Now, if you have any questions, you may ask, because when you are getting realization I want you to be free, because you have to go beyond thought, and it just happens without any difficulty, there’s nothing to worry. Now there are people who say that Kundalini’s very dangerous and all that. Maybe for people who do not know anything about it – like if you put your hand inside this you’ll get a shock, because they don’t what this means, you see, but the one who knows the job knows it – it’s very simple. Even children can do it if they know it. If you have any questions, please ask me.
Please ask, if you have any questions. (Mother drinks water.) You should ask me some questions. How many of you have listened to the radio and have come? Any one of you? Is good, good. Yes, it’s good. So, you thought it was very convincing? What he said it? Is it? Good. I’m happy. That’s John (laughs). He’s doing Theology, and he’s now fed up. He says, ‘Mother, theology is just talk, talk, talk, talk,talk’ and er, but he should have said one more point, as I said. John and Fergy, is he here? Fergy, he’s there. Both of them had gone, but he didn’t say that you get your own power. You see, in a cult you do not get your power, you’re just like mad, all of you, walking into some sort of a blind alley, but you don’t know where you are leading to. You must know what you are doing, what it is, everything about it.
Good, I’m happy that you were so convinced by his, er, this thing, but we found it impossible to handle these people of the media. Very funny upset people, I tell you. They don’t want to – they abhor truth, I really tell you, they abhor truth. Most surprising is that when you tell them the truth they are really upset. They don’t want to hear, you see. If you tell them some hanky-panky stories they are very happy and they would like to help you if there’s a hanky-panky story behind it, but if you say, ‘Oh, you can get your realization, you are the truth, you are the Spirit’, they don’t want to listen to you. They’re very funny people, you know. They can’t believe it can be fine – why shouldn’t we have confidence in ourselves? After all, are we going to seek it again next year and next year? Why postpone it? If it is so, why not have it?
This is the first time the radio people have allowed somebody to speak, while Sahaja Yoga has been growing very slowly. If the media help us, you see, understanding how important it is and vital, that it should grow in these countries, because in India it’s much easier, much easier, I mean thousands and thousands it’s working out in the villages and all. But here, you see, media’s so important and so powerful. Thank God we are not so developed, so we don’t depend on media so much in India (laughs) and the newspaper people also understand that truth has to be there, and they help us, they have been very helpful in India, compared to here. Here nobody wants to even publish an article on Sahaja Yoga – nothing. Can you imagine? Nobody wants to do anything about it.
Question – Do all the Sahaja Yogis use your photograph when they meditate?
Yes, now, I don’t know who told you that. I’d say it should not be told, because you see, people get frightened with the idea that why use My photograph, you see is the problem, it’s this way. Now, see, the trouble is My photograph has got vibrations. Now, what to do? The problem is like this. It has tremendous vibrations, not only, but it can cure people. There was a boy in America who was down with blood cancer, and the parents of the boy came to see me in a very far-fetched village, and they wanted that the boy should be cured. So I said, ‘All right, give me his photograph, I’ll work on it.’ But in any case I sent them, asked them to telephone one of the Sahaja Yogis in New York. She has only My photograph, and she used it and the boy is cured. Now, supposing if it is so, say it’s a penicillin injection, or you can call it something, you see, a miracle drug, for example, say My photograph is, then should we not use it? Now, supposing it is, that’s what it is. What can I do about it? I didn’t know the camera would be so good, really I didn’t know. Camera is much more sensitive than human beings are, I must tell you. You see, there are so many things that camera has caught up, which human beings cannot catch. Like, one day I was sitting in a village giving lecture in a place where a realized soul had died – a great realized soul. And the camera caught – I mean I can feel it, but you people do not see it with your eyes – a great flood of light was falling on My head – a flood of light, and the camera caught it, and six times it happened and the camera caught it six times, and seventh time I just did like this and it stopped. Just there, in the camera. I don’t know if they have brought the photograph, but we have that photograph with us and you can see for yourself, you see. Camera is so sensitive and so honest and so deep that the way things have been shown by a camera. The other day somebody took photograph of My feet in India, with that instant camera, and both My feet, you see, I was telling them that these two centers are working very much, and they are on the Feet, you see, and from My toe you could see a shaft of light coming out from one of the toes and one of the fingers, which I had said these centers are catching. So, camera caught it.
There must be something about me also, isn’t it? Must be, of course. It’s there, but is better to see and I always tell Sahaja Yogis not to tell about the photograph, just now to anyone, because if you tell them they get upset. You see, they think ‘Oh, God, is She going to dominate me?’ (laughs, general laughter). You know, we are so frightened of domination, isn’t it, because people have been very dominating. But could be somebody loves you very much, that even the photograph of hers can love you so much, isn’t it? Could be. Something we cannot think of – someone who is just love. And the photograph has that love within itself. You can use it as you like. Then there should be no objection.
None of the people before me were photographed. Christ was never photographed, Buddha was not photographed, even Mahommed was not photographed. This is the first time you have developed this wonderful thing called camera, and there’s my photograph. What to do?
In Hong Kong, the lady who was in charge – I mean, Chinese have very wise people – and this lady, who was in charge of that TV center, she felt the vibrations and all that, and she said ‘Mother, why not we use You on the TV?’ I said, ‘Good idea’, and she put me there, on the TV for about three minutes, just standing, and she said. ‘Just put your hands towards the photograph and see’, and so many got cool breeze and they wrote to us saying that, ‘We got cool breeze in our hands from Mother’. And we have established a center in Hong Kong, only by these things. If your TV people ever allow Me to do that, I could help, in a very great way, isn’t it? And would you not like to do it? I mean, supposing you were in My place, it would have been better, I know, but you cannot be. Anybody in My place can come and do it, I’ll be very happy. But that’s the trouble, you see, Christ has to bear the Cross, He had to do it, nobody could do it. We don’t mind Him doing that, but why should we mind Him being the Christ? Somebody has to do it. Alright?
And you will do it, too. Even you can give realization to people. You can give realization – all of them can give realization, they can cure, they are all experts sitting here, one better than the other. When you talk to them you’ll be amazed; they’re all scholars! Somebody sitting next to you’s quite good! (laughs) Both the sides, I should say!
It is rather difficult to accept a photograph, because it is said that you should not bow to any. It was said because there was no photographs before, Nothing was there. Photograph is such a truthful thing. And you will see yourself, later on, then you won’t give up, I know that, you’ll like it. Alright?
Any other question? A photograph – we also have symbolic value for photographs, say, for example, we have the Queen’s photograph here. We’ll not spit on her photograph, will we? She’s not there. Will you spit on her photograph, any one of you? Will not, because after all that photo, that thing represents something, is a symbol, isn’t it? It may not give vibrations but definitely it is a symbol of something.
It is a coefficience of the whole thing that works out this. Even when I am talking to you, you’ll be amazed, something is working out within yourself. The sound also carries the vibrations. You cannot see, but so many Sahaja Yogis have seen the vibrations going into it. You start seeing all these things. So you have to develop up to that point, before that we don’t tell you anything about how to become collectively conscious in a permanent way. In the beginning we just say, ‘All right, you let us give you the light.’ First you feel the light, then you start seeing everything. Nothing is compulsory in Sahaja Yoga, but you yourselves start doing things because you know it is so.
Should we have realization? All right. Those who are new people should come forward. I would request – is better if all are on the second (row), all those who are realized should get up and these, if you look at these people, they look just like you, isn’t it? But they are all realized souls. They’re all realized souls, and experts. This one is another expert. He used to sell wine before (laughs, general laughter). Yes, yes! It’s true, yes. They are all around you, in front of you, behind you.
Can you come forward, please? Please. It’s better. Please, there are seats there. Here are some seats if some people want to come down. It’s better to be in the front seat, because later on, you see, if there is a problem with your Kundalini rising – why don’t you come here, my child? Come along, you, both of you, come along. If there’s any problem, then the Sahaja Yogis can look after it; they can raise the Kundalini with their own hands, because the power is flowing from their hands, you see; so they can raise the Kundalini and can give you realization, and then, once you have got realization, you can give realizations to others. Is as simple as that. Today they are realized souls, tomorrow you will be realized soul. All of you have to become realized souls.
How many will become, God alone knows, but there should be many, even in the West, where things are moving rather slowly compared to India. But it will, it will happen I’m sure. Now, for getting realization, it’s a very simple method. Is that you have to expose yourself, your fingers. You see, these fingertips are the ends of all the sympathetic nervous system, and these two hands represent those seven centers, like one, two, three, four, five, six and seven. Seven centers, as you see in the hands there; exactly like that, you see? You can even tally it later on, you can see. For example, if you have a liver trouble you can feel them on your fingers. Everything you can feel on your fingertips, they said ‘On my fingertips’, that’s how you become an expert.
English language has many unconscious expressions, which has shown that, er, how you become realized.
Now, so, what happens, that you just have to close your eyes. First of all, you must close your eyes, because, when Kundalini rises and pierces through this center of Christ, then there’s dilatation of the pupil, so we want your eyes to be closed at that time so the Kundalini rises smoothly, and then She pierces out from here. When She pierces out from here, you can feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, you can feel it, but you have to have little, er, melting of the sensitivity, you see. Some people are not so sensitive and they do not feel it. Doesn’t matter. If you don’t feel it today, you’ll feel it tomorrow. But most of them feel it, and these people, are the Sahaja Yogis, will look after you. So we have to be wise, we have to be sensible about it, and it will work out. It will work out with all of you, it has to work out, you are seekers, this is your right to have it, and you are having it because it is your right.
I am just here like – I tell all these people that I am like a ‘bank’, which is ‘cashing your checks’. You have done good work in your last lives, and these lives, and you are not wrongdoers; you are good people. You are seekers, and you are seekers of God, of ancient times. You’ve come here to take your realization, you’d better get it. It’s as simple as that. My job is to give you realization. I’m ‘paid’ for it; you can think like that, and that is what it is, and you have to have it.
There is no quarrel between you and Me. If you don’t want to have it, it’s all right. But it is with Me all the time, safe; whenever you want, you can have it. But better to have it as soon as possible.
Now, put your hands towards Me like this, and just close your eyes. Just close your eyes and you’ll be amazed the difference it will create. (Rubs Her hands together and drinks some water) Just put both the hands towards Me. I mean, it is a simple method. Why you are putting it because these centers must be exposed. Is important. Very simple; it is very simple method. Please close your eyes. Please close your eyes, just close your eyes.
Now, there are problems within ourselves. They show up in our Kundalini rising. Not to you, but to the people who are sitting here who are realized souls, and when you are realized souls you will also feel the same. At this time the problem is on the heart, there’s too much pressure on the heart.
I would request all of you not to open your eyes, not to open your eyes, but put your right hand on your heart, inside your coat, jackets; just on the heart, especial on your heart, and in the heart resides the Spirit. Just put your left hand, and you can ask the question, a very fundamental question within your heart, you can ask Me a question within your heart, ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’ Just to ask that question, because you are the Spirit; but just ask that question. Ask thrice. (Mother rubs Her hands together.)
Now, while talking to you about Sahaja Yoga I might have said something that might have upset you, or you might be thinking that ‘I have done this wrong and that wrong’, but forget the past. In Sahaja Yoga there’s nothing like ‘sin’ when you come for your realization; it’s all washed off, so don’t worry about that, and don’t feel guilty. If you feel guilty, of course there’s a problem, but you just say, within yourself, in your heart, that ‘Mother, I am not guilty’. You are not guilty at all anymore now. Anything you have done, anything that you think is very wrong, forget it for the time being. Just forget it, and say, thrice, ‘Mother, I am not guilty’.
Now the third thing you have to ask is to say, ‘Mother, am I my own master, am I my own guru?’ Also, ask this question three times. (Mother rubs Her hands together.) Please put both the feet on the ground, in a straight way, you see the Mother Earth helps us by that.
Now, you may ask a question again, saying, ‘Mother, am I the part and parcel of the whole?’ Please don’t feel guilty, please don’t feel guilty, please don’t feel guilty. It’s a fashion, I tell you, feeling guilty; is a competition, who feels more guilty. People like to have some sort of ‘Greek tragedies’ artificially built around their lives. (chuckles; sound of Mother rubbing Her hands together and blowing).
Please ask the question ‘Am I the part and parcel of the whole?’ Just ask the question, please, because collectivity comes to people who are large-hearted, who are big-hearted, big people, who are not small. (Mother drinks water.)
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Now, please put both the hands towards Me. Both the hands, and just say ‘Mother, I have forgiven all the people. I’ve forgiven everyone.’ Please put both the hands towards Me, and just forgive everyone, forgive everyone. Say ‘I have forgiven everyone, Mother, I have forgiven everyone’. Forgive!
Now, you have to say this because I cannot go against your freedom, you are free to choose, so you have to say ‘Mother, may I have my realization? Will You please give me realization?’ because I cannot force ….
H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi