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“When Are We to Grow,” Public Programme, Hampstead (United Kingdom)
Nice to be back again in Hampstead. I always enjoyed Hampstead because, as I have told, you in London, many people who were great spiritual lived in this area. They preferred it to other places. So I believe that many people who live in this area must be also spiritual, must have taken their birth with the idea of achieving their Self-Realisation. It’s a very important time: when you are born. It’s the most important in the history of the universe. You are created a human being to become your Spirit. There’s nothing in between. If you have intelligence, pure intelligence, you can see through all that. You have to test your intelligence on this.
Whatever we think and whatever we conceive and whatever we try to organise ourselves into, mostly comes from our conditionings, not from the Spirit, because we have not touched the Spirit. But innately we have got a sense to know that these are very important times; that there must be something great in the atmosphere, that there are so many people who are seeking. It’s something remarkable. If this misses your attention, that means you are not alert. There are people of all types, all kinds. But seekers of this calibre have been very few.
Now England has its own problems, and London has its own peculiarities. Despite the fact I have been in London for about now eight and a half years, I feel that the reception of the truth has been very, very poor. Maybe, I am luckier than others. It’s the conditioning, again I would say, of another type that prevails [in] the minds. First we had, about twenty-five years back the conditioning of the science, but scientists themselves have refuted it. They themselves have challenged the science and they themselves know that it’s not such a happy affair, just to be a scientist. Then comes the intellectuals. The books started pouring in, in the market: all kinds of books. You can read about everything. Everyone knows about everything! And once you start reading about them, you conceive something; your conceptions are built about the truth also. The thing you have never seen, the thing you have never felt, you cannot conceive it, it is to be seen.
Like I had never seen Hampstead before, and the first idea of my husband was to buy a house in Hampstead – it’s surprising! I was very happy at that point. So I said, “Let’s go and see!” Without seeing it, if I had some conception about it, it would have been wrong. My seeing is different from others, I must say. I liked the place immensely, but he, from the point of view [of] distances and all of that he said, “It’s not good.” And naturally his ideas prevailed; doesn’t matter. But seeing, itself, makes you understand.
But what is Self-Realisation? It’s not only seeing. When you come to Hampstead you don’t see it. You feel it. You feel it. Now many people say you can feel it, but the idea of feeling is also quite conditioned. Like, some children like to cuddle a little doll. They feel the doll. But God knows how far they feel it. They might be feeling it physically, or emotionally also they might be feeling some sort of a security with the doll, maybe. Psychologically they might be deriving some joy out of that doll itself. Or maybe the image, which has some sort of an attraction of some sort of a thing that is built within their unconscious, that they feel so close to that. But a person who is a realised-soul does not feel a doll that way, even if it’s a child. It’s surprising.
You must watch a realised child getting to a doll. It’s very surprising. For example, I bought two dolls from London for my grandchildren and they rejected completely. They said, “What sort of dolls these are?” I said, “Why?” “They are unhappy!” I said, “They are not unhappy.” “No, see their lips!” You see, the lips of the dolls here is all just like a duck’s beak. They said, “They have resentment. They are angry. They are not realised!” That’s it! If you are a happy person then the whole get-up of your face changes, and they could see, they could feel it. They rejected: “We don’t want these dolls.” And then next time when I had to go I had to go round the whole places. First of all they were plastics; so plastics they don’t like. They don’t like plastic. Somehow realised people don’t like plastics, automatically. They wouldn’t wear plastic clothes, they wouldn’t wear nylon clothes, they wouldn’t wear mixed clothes: very difficult. They must have cotton clothes. Even if they have one, they’ll wear that the whole day, morning, evening, every time, the same thing.
You see, it’s a different sensitivity which we do not have before Realisation. They have a different sensitivity. And the coefficients of a doll which emits vibrations they like. But it’s very difficult to get such dolls nowadays; impossible. Because where are these artists who are realised-souls who used to make dolls? I have seen they make their own dolls, out of something:. sometimes my saris they will use or something. And sleep with those.
It’s something to be understood that, after Realisation, the thing you feel is not what you feel through your heart or through your conditioning of ages, also, maybe. Like if you have been living with a woman for many years with blue eyes, then you may like a doll with blue eyes. You may, because you have that image into your head. You may like. Or you may have a nanny of with blue eyes [so] you may like a doll like that. It’s all psychological. It’s conditioning very deep in you. But Spirit has no conditioning. It’s a free thing. What does it feel? It feels the joy of Creation, which we cannot. Before Realisation we cannot feel. You see, when we see something, where is the joy?
Now, for example, if a fussy man comes here he’ll say, “Oh, God, what a thing! I have to take out my shoes and sit like that! And the chairs were horrible! And couldn’t sit: very uncomfortable! And the colour was all white.” He couldn’t bear it. And I don’t know: all sorts of things. The thoughts will start. If you buy something – same thing. If you see something – same thing. There’s no joy! We just start thinking! Or if not, to avoid that, you may start a poetry about it. It’s sometimes so artificial, some of the poetry. So artificially put there that you can see it clearly that this man is just a sadist, wants to make you cry. Like Lord Byron! You can see it so clearly that this man has no sincerity of purpose. He’s not sincere. That sincerity you cannot feel unless and until you are realised because such a poem you won’t like at all, whether you understand the language or not. The whole tone of it will emit horrible vibrations; it’s absolutely the essence of everything is nothing but vibrations.
Everything is nothing but vibrations; the rest is all zero. We are nothing but our vibrations which are emitted because we are now connected with the Spirit. But otherwise also, whether you are connected with Spirit or not, you emit vibrations. But these are the vibrations without the light in it, and you can feel the vibrations of a person out and out. You can feel, feel how. You can feel on your centres. All your centres become active and you start feeling on your centres. That means all these five centres, six, seven centres you start feeling.
Even you may not feel in your fingers. Some of us Sahaja yogis may not feel also even today after so many days because their Vishuddhi Chakra is very bad. They must have smoked in, I think, ten lives, and must have been horrible Vishuddhi Chakra, and maybe that’s why it’s all on the myelin sheath of the nerves that you cannot feel it. That’s a different point. But you will feel it on your centres. And the feeling on the centre is emitted in your nervous system. And when it comes to it you feel it on your centres and you know, you just know. And you know it as vibratory awareness. This vibratory awareness has to grow, no doubt. The sensitivity has to grow, no doubt. But, first you must touch it. If it has not even touched, then how can it grow?
But we are so conditioned that we take to things which superficially are very appealing. Sahaja Yoga is not like that. It’s truth. It’s reality. Of course, you cannot pay for reality. I mean, how can you pay? If it is reality, you cannot pay for it. That’s one simple thing. You cannot artificially say you are realised-soul. You cannot. There was a girl, I met her in Portugal, [a] mischievous one, and she wanted to stick on with the Sahaja yogis because she was very negative and she wanted to disturb the Sahaja yogis. And she came to the programme and she told me, “Oh, I am feeling very well, Mother. I am feeling vibrations!” I just looked at her. I kept quiet: because I knew she was not. I didn’t say anything. I didn’t want to create trouble. But second day when she turned up I said, “Why are you telling me lies?” “No, no, no!” I said, “Yes, you are telling me lies. You have to be sincere. What are you going to gain?” Say, you are mischievous. You are playing into the hands of negative forces: what is your gain?
You are the Spirit. The Spirit is within you. You have to become the Spirit. It’s your own joy, is your own property, is your own Self: which is not known to you. Why not be honest about it and get to it instead of playing tricks with yourself? And then playing tricks with other Sahaja yogis: what is the use? What is the gain? Why are you playing into the hands of the satanic force? Why don’t you play into the hands of the Divine force?”
She said, “No, no, Mother, I am feeling it!” I said, “See, don’t tell me lies. I know for definite you are not feeling it, and if you are not going to be honest you are not going to come to my programme at all. You have to be honest yourself. If you are not honest I am not going to have you here.”
But dishonesty sometimes reaches a very absurd limit, because honesty is only up to which point you can see. Say, you can see the colour [of the walls] is white – up to that you are honest. But if you start saying, “I know who has painted it, and I know who has done the job and I know who is the company,” and all that, that’s not true. So honesty is up to the point you know. Beyond that, if you start saying things because you have read somewhere something or you have heard something, that’s wrong, that’s not being honest.
So we have to have honesty and open-mindedness. You have to be open-minded and honest, so that you see for yourself. Because as I told you it’s not like other places where you can just go and become members – nothing. First you have get your Realisation. Secondly, you have to grow into it. Those who cannot do, will be left out. You can’t help it. How far can you move it people? How far can you tell them? There’s no binding force. You are completely free to leave it or to take it. If you want to take it, well and good. If you don’t want to take it, no one is going to force you at all in this,! Because you cannot force. You can force a horse to eat, that is possible; but you cannot force any human being to be a realised-soul. You cannot. Not only that he has to ask for it but he has to, later on, work for it. It is a tremendous thing you are asking for and it’s the greatest thing that you are achieving. It is made easy, I should say. The times are such. It looks easy but it’s not so easy.
In Sahaja Yoga there are more drop-outs than sticking people. Naturally, because you have to be honest. You have to be very honest with it and you have to give a try. Like in Spain I met about five, six ladies and two men who came to see me. When I came out I was very reluctant to have anything to do with them. But, all the Sahaja yogis were so impressed. I don’t know why. “Oh, Mother they are so good. You don’t know, they came and looked at your photograph and they did this and all that.” I said, “Now, it’s all right if you want I will try! But somehow I don’t think much is going to work out.” And they thought they had found such a great bunch of people, who are real Sahaja yogis of the thing.
I said, “Did you see their vibrations?” They said, “No, Mother we were waiting for you.” I said, “All right, doesn’t matter. I’ll have a look at them.” And they said, first question they asked, “Mother, why is it Sahaja yogis don’t smoke?” I said, “Because they don’t want to.” I mean, is that a question to ask? I mean, if you smoke is it very normal? I just couldn’t understand this question. She said, “No, we don’t want to lose our freedom of smoking and freedom of drinking.” I said, “Do you think you are free? You are a slave. You can’t give up even if you want to. I can free you from that or your Kundalini can free you but you cannot. Even if you want you cannot give up, but here they just give up. I don’t tell them, I never force them, but it just happens because if you get the nectar of life you don’t care for other nonsensical things. It’s simple as that.” But they were so frightened with the Sahaja yogis’ style of life, means they don’t smoke and drink every night, they said, “This is impossible”. They gave up. Can you imagine? At the first talk we had!
But then we had people with such tremendous characters. They came for the program. I was so very happy, extremely happy and joyous. Everybody said, “Mother, why?” They were little, sometimes, not so much receptive, maybe, according to Sahaja yogis. But I could feel my vibrations sucked into them, absolutely flowing: the energy just getting into them, and suddenly they said, “Ah! Got it.” And tremendous people! Very well-educated also, some of them. But extremely well-versed about what we have to achieve.
I was surprised [that] in Spain there are people who know Sanskrit so well and about everything, about Chaitanya and all that. They know so well. It’s most surprising, and I used to think only scholarships exist in England. No. I was surprised. All of them knew about chakras. They knew about what it means. Everything they have sorted it out. I said, “When did you start?” They said, “About, when we were, I think, ten years of age.” I said, “Ten years of age? How?” They said, “We, we just couldn’t be satisfied with what was the answer here.” “Such grown-up people,” I said. From ten years of age. So many of them! And you should have seen the way they were! And they recognise Sahaja Yoga and the tremendous effect it has and the work that it is doing. You will be amazed the way these people behaved towards Sahaj Yoga. Then I said, “Next time, I am not staying in London – Spain.” (laughter) Yeah, really, I tell you! Just the kind of reception. There’s no barrier at all in their minds. It’s such pure intelligence, sharp, to see this is the thing – where are we running. And really I felt that, eight years I have wasted in this country, that time. Really for a moment I just felt, “Oh, God!”
But you know the importance of this country is so great because it’s the heart of the universe. I have to labour through it! And such lethargy and such inertia and explanations. Intellectuals have a very good, an easy-chair way of looking at things, very easy-chair way of looking at things. Easy-chair politicians they are. “Well, it’s very interesting.” Many a times I have heard [this], “It’s very interesting, you know, Mother, what you have given us. Very nice, yes, yes.” It’s very common! But there, for them, it was a heavenly gift because they knew what it was.
What’s the use of all the scholarship of Lord Byron when you can’t recognise Christ? When you can’t recognise the truth? What’s this education for? I was amazed at these people. They never went to Cambridge and they were not Oxbridges. (laughter) Most surprising! And they were people of great intelligence, very well-versed. And in Spain! Can you imagine? The same I will say of Italy. Italians are supposed to be very dishonest and this, that, I have heard. Nobody was dishonest with me as far as I am concerned: very upright, straightforward and tremendous people. Just my photograph convinced them. They said, “The face shows!” They hate the Pope. They hate the Papal things. They know all about Pope. Everything they know. They have sorted out everything. But to know so much about chakras and things, I was amazed. They knew about tantrism. They knew that Hitler used tantrikas. They knew that Hitler used all these things. Actually, they told me. So I was amazed how did they know? I dared not say this before because everyone who is following all these tantrikas would have been angry with me. But that’s what Hitler did. And so much they knew!
One of the boys was just, you can call him a hippie or whatever he may be. He went on the street shouting, “Oh, Mother has come now! The Mother has come! The Holy Mother has come! What are you doing now? Come along to the programme!” He was shouting on the street like “Eureka!” And a learned man, in the real sense of the word. It’s such a pleasure to talk to them, such a pleasure, I tell you. I think it is time that English should come down a little, really. Australia again: just look at Australians, they are supposed to be convicts. Supposed to be; I can’t understand. You see, this high-handedness, or we can call it condescendingly to watch something is not proper, it’s not proper. You must come down in humility, otherwise things will not work out, I can tell you. You have to humble down. We have Hampstead: so what? We have Blake: so what? What have you done to Blake? Can you understand him? Do you know who he was? Do you know what he wanted to say? What he wanted to communicate? Even in his programme, where I went, to see his beautiful paintings, people were watching how many nude women and nude men he has produced. With all this, and this [low] level, I just couldn’t understand it.
You must understand holiness. You must understand auspiciousness. You must understand sublime things. Something great that is beyond just now, but is within your reach because you are sublime. You are not a low-level animal. You are sublime. You are the Spirit. Unless and until you really assume that situation with that pride and glory, to God you are nothing. You are just zero, useless.
And this is what I’ll find always, new people coming, even in your Hampstead, Magda, and they just disappear. It’s like one lecture, it’s free. “All right, let’s go and see Mother.” That’s all. All these experiences, even in a country like Portugal, Portugal. The way people have done, Sahaja Yoga is remarkable. I go there for three days only. Only for three days in a year. I must have gone there only twice so far. Look at them: young people taking up responsibility, working it out for their country. So much they understand of auspiciousness. How have we lost all that sense of holiness and auspiciousness? We are running after people who are collecting money from you, giving you a circus. How can you? How can you not find out that this is not the truth, that you have to be the truth, that you are something great? Why can’t we assume that situation? We are not our ego. No, we are not. We are the Spirit, the sublime, the great. And that’s what I find. Many new people coming, then they disappear, then they come after ten days, then after they come after one month. They have this problem, that problem. Then why not grow? When are we going to grow? When are we going to become fully that? Time is very short, my children. Time is very, very short. Believe me.
Some people advise me, “Mother, you have to be very strict and all that.” I don’t know how a Mother could be strict. What should I do? Because, you cannot force it on anyone. The problem [I have / I’m helpless], is I cannot force it on to you. This is a big problem. You must understand this. You are seekers. You are seekers of very great times, born in this great country of yours, but so much conditioned. This is for you to take it within yourself, what you are, and to achieve that. This is something cannot be forced. I cannot mischievously do something or cleverly do something or cunningly say something to convince you. It is not that. It is something that has to happen within you, that you have to be something more than what you are. It’s that concern of Mine because it’s my job that keeps me here. You must know your real Self which is seeking, which is seeking the truth. It will never be satisfied with all these monkey tricks that people are indulging into. It’s no monkey tricks. You don’t become a monkey, like dancing, jumping, singing. This is not the thing. In your awareness, in your central nervous system you should feel the presence of your Spirit. That’s it. If you have discarded Christianity ? like, some people write to me, “Mother, I have many problems. First begins with Christianity” ? where do you land? Even if you discard Christianity you can’t do without Christ. Christ is there. I mean, Christ is our soul. We cannot do without Him.
Then you come into another thing, then you fall into another trap, then fall into another trap. You miss the essence of it every time you fall into these peripheries. The essence is in the centre of it and that centre is within you; is your Spirit. You may ask me a hundred questions, I will give you two hundred answers; makes no difference at all, I tell you. It is of no value, of no availability to you or any goodness out of it you, believe me. You have to be what you are. Unless and until that happens and you establish it within yourself, it’s such a waste of life, waste of this Creation, everything I feel wasted. So I have to request you again and again. Of course, in London now there are some very great Sahaja yogis, no doubt, we have, but the way it has been progressing if I were in any other country, I tell you, things would have been very different. I can assure you this one, any other country. America? I’ve been there only once. Can you believe it? Long time back, that too for about four, five days, and this time when I went I was hardly in any place for more than three days. Say, Houston, hardly for three days and how many people there are. I mean, you don’t know. Ask Gavin, he’ll tell you.
What’s wrong with us? Let’s see. I just can’t understand why we can’t grow. Why can’t we give up our conditionings easily and take to truth and get into it? We don’t understand is it the importance of this time, the vital nature of this happening. Or have we lost that sense of seriousness where an emergency of this kind has arisen today which we don’t feel or fathom? Or we just think that it’s just a joke going on? Or our life we treat is just like a joke or a frivolous thing? What is it? I still can’t understand what stops that truth…beyond me. The land is fertile, beautiful. I am not sown my seeds in a wrong land; I know that. But doesn’t grow; it doesn’t grow. It doesn’t take shape. What’s the matter? Today there are new people, I am happy to know, and I have to make a humble request to all of you. If you have to come to Sahaja Yoga you have to be people who have to understand that reality is not a joke. It’s not a frivolous thing. You have to become a realised-soul and you have to grow in the light of that Realisation and you have to master this art. We need now masters all over. Not that somebody else is your master but you become your own master. Such people are needed to channelise the energy of God.
I am sure Warren must have told you all about it. He’s another great character I have; very proud of him, the way he feels responsible for the whole world, the way he came down. He sacrificed so much, so much. I mean we, I don’t need any money from an, anything as such, but even money-wise I am sure he must have done something. I don’t know because I have never taken any money from him as such. But even there I am sure, he established an ashram, he established people, he got them, he worked it out. I mean it’s remarkable, and how people followed him, seeing him the way he is. He doesn’t have any private life left except for to enjoy this privacy of the Spirit with others, and if you see his background he’ll tell you that he knew he was a seeker but in the seeking he committed so many mistakes, so many mistakes. But look at his sensitivity. He knows where the Kundalini is, he knows how to correct it and not him but most of the people from Australia know it so well.
It’s nothing mundane. It will be very sad and unhappy if you people get your Realisation and lose it and do not develop into it. I don’t know what would be the category of such people whom God has given the light and they didn’t give light to anyone. I don’t know what should be the position. Today I am rather concerned, very much concerned because I have come back from these three countries. I was amazed. France: tremendous. French people, I used to always say that these “les miserables” and all that. Nothing of the kind. There’s a priest who got his Realisation. He formed an association called “Saving the people from gurus.” Very clever, and he is a priest still, but he is a Sahaja yogi out and out. And what he does, those people who go to him and tell against the Christianity he said, “Why don’t you go to Sahaja Yoga?” Anybody whom he saves, he sends them to Sahaja Yoga…all that. But the other day he said, “Mother, why should we have Pope anymore?” Look at that. And he stays in the church and works for Sahaja Yoga. Can you beat that? Because he thinks he has to save people who are misled. He does that. We have people of that calibre.
Another one we met, another one very great one, in Portugal. He told me that the T.M. gentleman wanted to establish his kingdom in Portugal. He’s got a very big land and all that. And he told me all the secrets. He said, “I am going to talk to the people who are in charge here. They are sensible.” I said, “Really? Are you sure?” I said, “If you want to talk to anybody here in Mentmore, they’ll not listen. They are very satisfied with the yards of black suits they are wearing and with the so-called idea of sitting on a gold gilded chair. All that stupidity.” He said, “No, not in Portugal. They are very sensible people. They realise it. I am going to talk to them.” Because they are all suffering so early. Only three years they have been doing it. They are all suffering on the left side, their ears are finished, somebody’s eyes are finished, somebody’s problem is on the left side, somebody has a problem on the left Void and all that. I cured, of course. But they said, “All of us are suffering.” That means they are very sensitive also to suffer so fast. And they are realising, they are reaching all of them, even their administrators and their; everybody’s realising that there’s some sort of a nonsense going on in this T.M. Just imagine. When I went back, so transformed and changed. The one gentleman had an eye like this. It’s all opened out equally the same, everything, face so transformed. I said, “I can’t recognise you, the way you are changed.” Such a short time, in eight days, they worked it out.
Portugal is a country known for its escape nowadays. There are nobody, we should call, the real Portuguese have run away from that country. They are settled in Brazil. Spain, people have not much hopes from Spain, politically. It’s a hopeless country, they say. Italy is the worst of all. They have Mafia, this. And in that Maya these beautiful lotuses to see. What a joy it was; what a joy. You can’t imagine. Even our Ambassador in Spain said, “The people here are very different, Mother.” He said, “I talked to some people. They said, ‘When She is coming you have to call us.’” I said, “Next year you have a big program. This year let’s have only the Indians. But next year, of course, you can call.” You see, all of them here want to have Realisation. All big people, eminent people. You just come next year and you’ll see all of them. Here, do you think anybody? An ambassador, can you imagine? I can’t think. Very funny people.
I’ve met a very big man once in a dinner party where one of the Sahaja yogis is the chairman of the Hague High Court, of course an Indian, Dr. Nagen Singh. And he told that gentleman that, “This lady is a very well-known spiritual leader of India and She has given Realisation to many and She has given Realisation to me also.” He looked at me and he said, “No, I am also a realised-soul.” What to say? He said, “Christ has given me Realisation. It’s Christ who is going to give me.” So Nagen Singh in Hindi says, “There are no vibrations, the Kundalini is frozen and this one is saying. How can Christ give him Realisation?” I said, “This is the escape because Christ is no more.” Of course, Christ gives him but where is Christ within himself? So he asked him, “Where is Christ within yourself?” “That Christ knows himself.” He said, “I didn’t know these people were such buffoons.” Really, these were his words. And my husband then couldn’t bear it any more. He said “Now, forget it.” You see, he was such a blind man.
I mean, in India people may not get Realisation, may not, but they know what is Realisation. They know who is truthful, I must say. Whether they are ambassadors or Presidents, make no difference; they know that definitely. Even President of India, say, if he sees me he doesn’t sit down. He’ll stand up. They have that sense. That basic humility is missing. That’s why we take to people who pamper our ego. We take to people who are nonsensical. We take to people who befool us. Only the egoistical can be befooled. If you are not egoistical no one can befool you. How do you befool a person? By pampering the ego. So one has to understand that unless and until we develop that basic humility within ourselves we are not going to do very well in England.
It’s for all the Sahaja yogis as well as for people who have come here. It’s a very, very, serious problem, and you are placed in the most vital parts of the universe that is this England, that’s the Heart. And if you now any way escape your responsibility, you will be held responsible, I am telling you now very strongly. Because today I had big lectures from people saying that, “Mother, you don’t say things strongly, and people are to be frightened.” I don’t want to frighten you but you will be held responsible, take it from me. You are born on this Earth, on this great land for a very great purpose, to create Jerusalem out of that. And now if you are not going to stand up, you’ll be held responsible. This is what it is. It’s a tremendous work one has to do, for which you must prepare yourself. Get to it. I can give Realisation; that’s all. But I can’t give you strength. I mean, you can’t make the horse stand up on his forelegs, can you? It’s a very, very, desperate situation sometimes the way things happen. After all, you must know that my coming here has some meaning of. I didn’t come here because I chose to come in the way people, the gurus walk into your country. I came here because something was done spontaneously. I had to stay here, I had to work for you, I had to implore you and request you and tell you in every way possible your responsibility. But then you don’t tell me because I have not failed in my duties as far as I’m concerned. Of that I am very sure. But now I’ll leave it to you because I may not be here next year. What can you say? Depends on the moods. But we have to see what you are going to do for the whole world, for the whole emancipation of the human being.
First you have to find your own beauty and you have to give this beauty to others. This is a greatest artist’s job you have to do, as a great master of art in divine life. You have to become divine. It’s you who has to become divine. You don’t worry about me. I don’t have to achieve anything. That’s the only problem. I don’t have to achieve it. I have to only achieve you people. I have to only have ways and methods by which I could really make you grow. All that is possible I will do, but you must stand up on your legs, must ask for it. It’s a big problem. Not for others; for me. Because others have no such problem. They don’t want you to stand on your legs. They want you to crawl and they want you to disappear. This is a different thing. I want you to grow, not because I want, but Divine wants it. The whole Creation wants it. Otherwise it will have no meaning. So the responsibility of English Sahaja yogis, British Sahaja yogis is very great. Again and again I have requested you and I have told you in whatever way possible, that establish yourself. You are lagging behind. I can tell you Spanish people will have to come and teach you Sahaja Yoga. Already we have got somebody from Australia to teach that.
You give up your old ideas and conditioning. Every Saturday, Sunday, must you go out of the country, out of London? London is your place where you have to work. Unless and until you take it up upon yourself it’s not going to work out. Some people have to do it, someone. I am looking out for such people for whom this is their desire. We talk of big things. If we talk to anyone, I see in big, big parties they talk, “Oh, what’s this?” and “We must become peaceful countries. We must do this and that must happen.” And even if you’ll listen to the lecture of our great President of America, you find, “Oh God, some angel is speaking,” or what? Like an angel, they speak. Angelic, prophetic, such big, big, words. I can’t understand even it won’t come into the mouth of God Himself but the way people talk, ultimately what remains is nothing. So let us be that, what we talk. We can be. We all can be. It’s very simple. You have to decide. You have to really decide. The time has come. I just pray may God give you strength to stand with the truth. It’s not difficult. It’s very joy-giving. But stand with it, grow with it. That’s what you are. Thank you very much.
Now if you have any questions you can ask me and we should have Realisation. Hello. What’s that? What’s that here? Right Swadisthana. She’s showing right Swadisthana. [Aside: Oh, all right. Now you take this one. [Hindi] They are fighting. They are fighting, see, working it out. They are all fighting. How is your child, [Graham]? That same thing?
Sahaja Yogi: Much less.
Shri Mataji: Your Agnya? Have you brought her?
Sahaja Yogi: No, because I haven’t the right, because she has [just come out of / to stay in the] hospital two or three weeks.
Shri Mataji: “All right. On my way back if we have time I will go for see her. That child is fighting. What sufferings from the very beginning of life. That house also I think has problems. No questions? Are there any questions please? Yes?
Seeker: I’m from Holland and I wonder whether I should try to stay in England, in London for, should I remain in England to find work? ”
Shri Mataji: It’s difficult to find?
Seeker: I am wondering whether I should try to find work here in England or, do you understand what I am saying?
Shri Mataji You are English?
Seeker: No, Holland.
Shri Mataji: Yes?
Shri Mataji Holland?
Shri Mataji: Oh, we need people in Holland. I haven’t yet touched it.
Seeker: Excuse me?
Shri Mataji: I haven’t yet touched Holland. Haven’t been there. I went there once, a long time back, but we have to touch Holland [very soon]. There are lots of seekers, no doubt, but drinking too much. Yeah. They drink too much, they told me, like Scotland, see, (aside to a child: chana. All right, you eat chana) and we have to look after them, no doubt. There are lots of seekers misled there are. In Holland we have one great soul. There’s a young boy of sixteen years, I think. Careen, his name is. They asked him about his father, mother, everything. He said, “my father is just like other fathers.” I said, “Really? What does he do?” “In the daytime he drinks beer. In the night he drinks whisky.” I said, “Really?” “All fathers do that, Mother.” “And what about the children?” “Some of us, our friends, we meditate but most of them also are drinking beer.” When he was twelve years he first came. I think twelve or eight years he came here, I think. Yes, and he must be sixteen now, yes. Wonderful man. He is growing up there. I told him to gather more people who think like him. He might, he is a great person. His mother is French and father is this thing and divorced and another mother, all kinds of problems. No, would be better in Holland, no doubt, but you get your Realisation, you settle down here and we must start a centre in Holland and next year I am coming down there, all right? Holland is one place I have not been.
I didn’t go to Austria. Now, we have a very powerful yogi there. So I am going this year. A few countries I have not tackled. We should not go away from our country. We should work there. That’s the place we have to work, whatever is the condition. Switzerland now are doing very well. Switzerland is doing so well. Those who were committing suicide are now coming to Sahaja Yoga and doing very well. I said, “The way you [are/were] doing suicide, if you can do Sahaja Yoga even once it will be all right.” Because they did a perfect job always with their suicide things. They used to plan it out so well, the suicide, in such a way, I mean, that it would not create any problems for anyone and sort of thing. They used to think about it all the time, how to commit suicide, and they, very great planning. But look at Switzerland. It’s a challenge to all of you. So it’s a good idea. You get your Sahaja Yoga here, settle down, master it and go to Holland. You would be the one of the—- I gave once a Realisation to one Mr. called August Tigger. He was the chairman of your, one of your very big companies. He was a very big man, no doubt, but he told me that, “I cannot talk about to anyone. They will think I have gone crazy.” And he died. He was a very old man when I met him. He was about eighty years of age when I first met him. And a very great seeker he was, very great seeker. Holland I’ll definitely come, no doubt. And now we have reached Brussels also. So in Brussels and Holland we can do it, isn’t it? From Brussels it is easier to go to Amsterdam. Where will you be in Holland?
Seeker: I have no place at all.
Shri Mataji: Huh.
Seeker: I have no place [where] to go for the moment.
Shri Mataji: But you will be placed in Holland?
Seeker: Then I have to go back. I have to.
Shri Mataji: Yes, you should, you should. You see, I would request you, once you become a Sahaja yogi, you should go there, and we’ll send some people to help you also. There is somebody very powerful in Brussels, very powerful in Brussels, who’ll help you, very powerful. You remember that Rajneesh fellow who came? Oh, he’s so powerful. You must see that. He’s brought about ten people from Brussels to Lille. Can you imagine? He’s already started his own centre. It can only work in the democratic countries, isn’t it? And I think Holland is very important. And who is there is Dr Nagen Singh himself, is there in Holland. He’s in Hague.
Seeker: Is he?
Shri Mataji: He’s in Hague. He’s the Chairman of your World Court.
(Aside to the children: Hindi. Look, what? What? Anand? Anand. This is Anand. Ananad. And this is? Sonu. Sonu. Sonu. Say Sonu. He’s a real joker, I tell you. What makes you laugh so much and look here? All right now. Sit down, you sit down there. Sit down. All right. Be a nice girl, all right? Ha, now sit down. Yes, we have to raise their Kundalini. Ha, come along, come along, come along, come along, come along now.) How is she [unclear name]?
Sahaja Yogi: [All right now]
Shri Mataji: Better? She is better. How is the baby from Australia? Is he all right? Is he all right?
Sahaja Yogini: Much better.
Shri Mataji: Much better now. I am sorry that day you had gone away. I wanted to see the baby. (Aside to the children: What? Ha. Ha. Hop. Hop. Ha, up, up. Hop. Hop. Now, hop, hop. Come, come. Anna, come, come. These children. [Hindi] Give her, give her chana. Good. Give her some, give her, give some chana. Give her some chana. All right. Go and give her some chana. All right? Take this one. You give her. I told you to give her. All right, let’s have it, for that. See how cheerful they are, how cheerful. All right, now we are going to keep quiet. Sit down here, sit down. All of us are going to sit down. All right? Sit down. Come here. Come here. Sit down. All sit down. You sit down. Olympia. You sit down. All right? Sit down. All right. Be a nice girl. Now, it’s all right. Let her be. She is not well. She is still little. All right, she’ll come. She’s, she will come. She can’t leave. She can’t enjoy herself, see. That’s what it is; everybody must enjoy.
All right. Now close your eyes, please. Just close your eyes. Put both your feet on the ground. Now, take out your shoes. Shoes, shoes. [Aside whispering to a child: Sit down. Sit down. Quiet. We all sit down. Now we are closing eyes.) Just put your hands towards me and close your eyes. (Aside: Can you push this out, please?)
Just keep your eyes shut. [Hindi]
Keep your eyes shut, please. Don’t open them. Please don’t open because when the Kundalini is rising She’s working it out away through your Agnya Chakra which is the place of Christ, and at that point dilation of the pupil takes place; that’s why. Be comfortable. Be comfortable and be cheerful. Don’t think of the past. Forget it. At this moment you are not to think what mistakes you have committed, what wrongs you have done. It’s all finished now. You have to, on the contrary, all the time say that, “Mother, I am not guilty.” At least say it thrice. Before you start any meditation you say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” It’s very important. For anything you need not be guilty. God is the ocean of forgiveness, He’s the ocean of compassion, He’s the ocean of love, and our little bit, so-called mistakes or anything has no meaning in relation to His greatness, to His vastness. It has no meaning at all. [Hindi]. Carrie. [Hindi] (Aside to a child: All right, you go and sit there. We don’t have now time. All right? Go and sit there.)
All right. I think all have got it. Can you feel that? I think they have opened their Sahastrara. Slowly. How are you? Good? Close your eyes. Please, close your eyes. Keep your eyes shut. Don’t look at others. All right? Look at yourself. Just keep your attention inside and not outside. It has to happen. If it does not happen one has to work for it ? not you, but these people who have got Realisation will work for you first and then once you get Realisation you can work for others, because the ones who know how to swim can save people who do not know how to swim. And then those who are saved can learn swimming and save others. It’s like that. So nobody’s higher or lower. There’s no obligation, nothing like that. Ha. Hmm, this one. [unclear].