La Grande Madre Che Conforta TV interview, Rome, Italy, 19-05-1985

[Interviewer speaks in Italian.]

Translator of Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga?

Shri Mataji: Sahaja means born with you. Saha is with and ja is born. It also means spontaneous. It’s a spontaneous happening of a living energy within you which gets awakened and unites you to the Divine. Now Sahaja Yoga is a happening as the epitome of the evolutionary process. We have become human beings but still we are not yet complete and absolute. We live in a relative world. This energy pierces through six centres, subtle centres, ultimately through the fontanelle bone area, and you receive your self-knowledge, your self-realisation, what we call the baptism is actualised. It is not an artificial baptism but actually you can feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of your head. Kundalini is the Mother, this power is the Holy Ghost within you which rises and gives you this final experience of the Spirit, which is very important, that everyone has to receive, every human being has to receive it.

Translator: Is this kind of Yoga attainable by everybody, Shri Mataji?

Shri Mataji: Of course, it is available to all the human beings, it has to be, because it is meant for human beings to rise to that level. 

Translator: So, are there not in this kind of Yoga some special exercises, practices, or is it meant for young people, old people, or both of them?

Shri Mataji: No, it is meant for everyone, for old, young, small, big, meant for all races, all people coming from all religions, because it combines all the essence of all the religions, because all these religions are like flowers on the same Tree of Life. Only when human beings pluck them and start saying this is mine, this is mine, all the fights start. But actually, the essence of all religions is the same, same is about the whole world, is created as one by God, only the human beings are fighting about it, so in the eyes of the Divine everybody is just the same and everyone should get this.

Translator: Shri Mataji, what is the nature of the Spirit?

Shri Mataji: Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty within us. So the nature of the Spirit is that it is absolute, it is eternal, it resides in our heart and is the witness of all our activities. When you get your self-realisation, when you become the Spirit, when you get your second birth, actually, spontaneously by this living force, then it starts manifesting in your attention. Then your attention becomes, again I say it becomes collectively conscious, that is your central nervous system can feel the existence of your Spirit because cool vibrations start flowing from your hands. This is one nature.

That is with the collective consciousness you can feel the another person on your fingertips, these different centres, you can feel it clearly, the subtle centres, and if you know how to cure these centres you can cure the person of its physical troubles, mental maladies and emotional problems. Apart from that the spiritual problems are solved completely that you become a person who is full of joy, full of peace and full of bliss. The bliss.

Translator: Shri Mataji, he is asking – he heard that Sahaja Yoga cures even incurable diseases and he heard that even some important persons in India have been cured, and is it – this possible, how it happens?

Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, that’s what I told you, that the Kundalini when it rises through these subtle centres it nourishes, the chakras are like this and when you get sick they actually get separated like that, because either you have overactivity or you have some sort of a malady on the left hand side, so your connection with the Whole is lost, the energy is less, but when the Kundalini rises She pierces through your centre and nourishes it, by that nourishment you feel perfectly all right, because it’s a vital energy.

The power Kundalini, if I show?

Translator: Yes

Shri Mataji: This is the power Kundalini, the triangular bone, and there are six centres on top and one centre below. 

This is the knowledge of the roots, that you have within yourself. 

Translator: Shri Mataji, how do You finance it, Your own conferences, (? moving), advertising about Your coming and all that needs money in Your organisation, is there a special organisation or is it just how it happens?

Shri Mataji: Actually I don’t take money at all, on the contrary, most of my travels, I pay for it. Now we have Sahaja Yogis in all the countries and they collect little money to have the conference and they collect money to have a hall, it doesn’t cost much. I don’t know about their money, they organise among themselves but as a result of self-realisation people become very righteous, extremely honest and very religious, I don’t have to tell them, but they just become. 

Moreover, it is irrelevant. It is a living process that takes place, like the sprouting of the seed. Now how much money do we pay to this Mother Earth who does this job? So how can you pay money for God’s work, on the contrary, to take money for this work would be sinful. 

Translator: He would like to know what happens when Kundalini has been awakened and it has pierced this last chakra, what happens to a person, what is the – how it can be maintained? If there is the need of making some special exercises or practices, or if it’s more simply something that can stay as it is?

Shri Mataji: We have to know that you get completely transformed, completely transformed. In the sense that you become so powerful that no habit can dominate you. I’ve seen people after self-realisation next day they give up their drugs, give up alcoholism, give up bad habits. Secondly become compassionate, this compassion is not the one that speaks, it just acts on another. Such a person just standing anywhere can emit that compassion, the power, and can completely neutralise all the negativity and all the troublesome things that are going on. Such a person is so blissful and so joyous that he makes the entire Universe happy by its presence. But the greatest of all is that, for the first time, such a person can give back what we have got from Nature. There has been an experiment in India, as well as in Austria, and a very great expert in Austria has found out that when you give this cool breeze, the vibration, to the plants they grow three times, four times more and you can even use ordinary seeds instead of hybrid seeds and create beautiful agriculture. The seeds that come out of [that] agriculture are very nice to taste, look like pearls and they are very nourishing.

And to establish it we have got centres practically in every country where we have got Sahaja Yogis whom I have counselled so well that they are all experts and they can teach all about it to you so that you also become masters of that.

Translator: Shri Mataji, are there centres in Italy too?

Shri Mataji: Very many. And not only but we have a very nice ashram here and very great Sahaja Yogis too, and you are not to pay anything at all for anything, even for curing. 

Translator: Shri Mataji, he said that he knows that in other television you already made in front of the public (unclear) the experience of giving self-realisation, is it possible to have it here?

Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, why not? It is the best way, a television is for that only, is for giving realisation to them, they can, it is very simple, they have to just put their hands towards me like this, and now see, you all can feel it. Put your hand like this, and put your left hand on your heart, and say that in your heart, Mother, I am the Spirit. Just say that and it will comfort you completely, because it will start cooling you down and you will start feeling the cool breeze on your left hand. Just say that three times from your heart. Mother, I am the Spirit. Just say that. It will work out very well. It will really make you very blissful, relaxed, comfortable and joyous. Now see. Three times.

Now you can also feel it on top of your head, a cool breeze coming out, if you see it here on your fontanelle bone area, you can bend your head and see for yourself, all of you can feel it, a cool breeze coming out. Are you feeling? 

Interviewer: Yes.

Shri Mataji: That’s what it is, now ask a question, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost? Ask the question seven times in your heart and you will see it. 

But even if you are feeling it, you must come to the program and then later on you must establish it because once you start thinking about it it will be lost again, it is beyond thinking, so don’t think about it, just watch carefully, keep your eyes open and see there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. 

Many of you might feel even cured, and comforted. 

Translator: Newspapers have spoken about You as the Great Mother, as the Comforter. Is it – can we say that it is You who come as the Comforter that is mentioned in the Bible?

Shri Mataji: (? Well) you find out, I won’t tell you that, because it’s not proper to tell anything these days. Christ said I am the light, I am the path, they crucified Me. I don’t want to get crucified so I don’t want to commit anything, you better find out what I am, it is better that you come and find it out yourself. 

Translator: He would like to [thank] You and (? saying hello) to have for the last time the address of the centres here in Rome and the appointments that You have here.

Interviewer: Thank You.

Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Better inform them when We have the program, I hope they will make it convenient to come to the program tonight and tomorrow. And if you have any questions you must bring them written down and give it to Me so that I’ll answer them tomorrow. 

I hope nobody aggressive will come there and try to trouble Us because some people unnecessarily trouble Us when We have come to do nothing but good. To everyone. Benevolence. This is for the emancipation of all the humanity, will solve all your political, your economical, your ecological, all kinds of problems if you all get transformed. 

Translator: We can put an end to this and thank You very much again.

Shri Mataji: Thank you, thank you very much, thank you.