“Soul and Spirit”. Volterra (Italy), July 25 1986. The beginning of this talk has not been recorded so we begin when Shri Mataji is in the middle of defining the relationship between Soul and Spirit. The analogy she uses involves light, water and the glass that contains the water. As will become clear as the talk continues, the lìght would be the Spirit, the glass the body and the water which reflects the light, would be the Soul. We pick up the talk when Shri Mataji has just given the analogy. Shri Mataji: …then it [the light] comes in there. This [the glass) is the body. All the 5 Koshas, the 5 auras, Koshas, are there. So these 5 Koshas are managed by the 5 elements, the essence of which can be called the causal element, the causal of the … Gregoire: … the causal of the five elements. What we know as Atma in Sanskrit, is it the Soul plus the Spirit, or only the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Jivatma is the soul but Atma is the Spirit. Gregoire: So Jivatma is the Spirit but individualized;. belonging to one person? Shri Mataji: No, no!  Jivatma is the soul. Means with these five elements. And these five elements give you  your own identity, your own character, your own particularities etc. These five elements; the way they are placed in you. That’s the causal element, the causal of the elements that are within you. Then these causals act on the chakras and Read More …