Arrival and Talk to Sahaja Yogis

Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Magliano Sabina Ashram, Magliano Sabina, Rome (Italy)


Advises in Rome ashram, April, 15 1992

All the Sahaja Yogis: Bolo Adi Shaki Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi ki Jai, ki Jai, ki jai!
Shri Mataji: Ah. All right. All right. Sit down, sit down. All the children sit down. Here. All right. All right. It’s such a surprise.

Shri Mataji [ to the children]: You are happy?
Children: Yes.

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Shri Mataji: It’s such a surprise to see you. So, many people coming from the outside Rome. Such surprise and such joy. Now what I find, all over the world, that the Sahaja Yogis are getting very responsible. Very responsible and trying to plan out how to increase the numbers and also how to increase the quality. And the improvement is tremendous. So, what we have to remember that it is not only if we have regard and respect for Mataji, also it is not sufficient that we are surrendered absolutely. Also, that you now have identified me well, still is not sufficient.

You see as you know, there are people in other religions also, they all are surrendered say, to Christ. They respect Christ and accept that he was the son of God. But they haven’t achieved much.

For your ascent, because you are Realized souls, you have to know that your own powers must increase. That means you have to trust yourself fully and work it out. Because only through you, people are going to come to Sahaja Yoga. When they see you only, they will think there is something great about it. So, you have to work it out properly by intensive meditation and by collective work. So, this will only help you, help Sahaja Yoga and help the whole world. Of course, by your ‘shraddha’ by your faith, you will have very great power over the – I mean you can have a great, you can say, a connection with this All-pervading power. And that you will be able to get all the blessings.

But that should make you more sort of confident, that you have to give it to others. And when it comes to giving to others, then it is important for you to develop your depths, your dimensions. And there are so many dimensions within us, we still have to found out, are to be developed. Unless and until you can manage that, spend time on that, introspect, you cannot grow. That is what it is, we have to work out ourselves on our own powers. Of course, you have to meditate daily, no doubt. Also, you have to be very collective. But also, you have to think, how you will spread Sahaja Yoga and how you will impart this knowledge to others.

Christ had only twelve disciples and most of them ran away because of Paul. And it fell only into the hands of Paul and Peter, who Christ has described as satanic. So, it is Paul who has manufactured all those things, that he will give the key and that the church will be established on the rock. It’s all manufactured by this Mr. Paul on Peter because he is such a weak, weak disciple of Christ. So, that’s how we have to understand, that these crooks can spread Christianity so much, why not we, so many pure saints like you? So, the responsibility has to be taken over with wisdom and with your powers. That is my message for all the Sahaja Yogis.

The first thing is to know English because it’s important. Second one is to know certain songs by heart. You can compete with each other. This is something simple. Thirdly, look after your body properly, your chakras, your Sahasrara, your hair, everything. It’s so important.

Now about the children also. They have found out, that the children in the West are very wild and I think it is better to keep these children in Dharamsala because also their immunity system is very poor. What I learnt that, from their very childhood, people start, doctors start giving them antibiotics. That is how they develop this immunity system in such a, I mean such a bad shape and it’s very dangerous because they catch everything. One coughing they start coughing. Somebody has a cold, they catch a cold. I mean everything. So, their immunity system we try to develop. So, you must remember not to hand any medicine, Homeopathic or say any other alternatives medicine or allopathic medicine, unless and until you have consulted the leader or me. All the leaders. So, that you will know if you can take certain medications or not. But try to give vibrations. Try to practice vibrations. Have faith in vibrations and faith in yourself. This is going to help you a lot.

I hope you people are all meditating morning and evening. Because Sahaja Yoga is such a thing, that even the smallest drop of the ocean you start enjoying. But we have to not only enjoy ourselves but make the whole world enjoy. Otherwise, you will be selfish.

All right. I am coming back again for the Easter Puja. And then we’ll go to places like Italy, southern Italy, various places like Napoli and Dolores. You all should organize it before coming. Now, what is the program? You want a sing a song? Let’s have a song. One song and then I have to go. Without [Shri Mataji is saying ‘without’ for the songbook I .e.sing without seeing the book] All right.

You have pain now? [To some Sahaja Yogi]. Still, pain? Put your left hand there. Here on this site, where you have the pain. Left side, Left hand where you have the pain. left hand, wherever you have the pain. Put the right hand. Sit down. [Sahaja Yogis start singing bhajan] Now one song from the children. [to the Sahaja Yogi who has pain] Now feeling better? [Unclear]

Sahaja Yogi: There is a Sahaja Yogi from Peru. Has composed a song for you Shri Mataji. [Song starts]

Shri Mataji: Who has done this? [she is asking about the song]

Sahaja Yogi: Who has done this song?

Shri Mataji: Now the children. Which one do you want to sing? [Children start singing] Shri Mataji :[after the song is over] Very sweet. Very beautiful.

Shri Mataji: So, now I’ll take your leave and I hope to see you all from the 18th, 17th. 17th I’ll be there. [Unclear]. May God bless you.
Sahaja Yogis: Jai!

[Unclear] You have to telephone to Shanti. Also, you have to telephone me and we’ll find out about it. May God bless you.

Sahaja Yogi: Thank you Shri Mataji.
Children: Thank you Shri Mataji.

Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Very good. Very good. Very good. May God bless you.

Are you better now? Better?

[Ice creams are being distributed. All the children get up to take them.]

Shri Mataji to children: Sit down. You are not beggars. Sit properly. You are like a princes and princess. Sit and wait. Sit down. Sit down. All of you.

[Shri Mataji is given ice cream to eat]

Shri Mataji: I am eating. Annie, You didn’t get one? Who didn’t get?
It’s very good. Excellent. Is it good now? Is it good? Give it to her. There is one there. She didn’t get. To her. One child there.

Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]
[Talking to Sahaja Yogis] Ah. I didn’t see you. How are you?
Sahaja Yogini: Thank you, Mother.
Sahaja Yogi: Just came a few days back.

Shri Mataji: I haven’t seen but somebody told me and I am very happy to know he is here. May God bless you.
How is the situation there? Still the same?
Sahaja Yogini: Mother. It’s much better. Everything is working slowly, slowly. The country is changing.
Shri Mataji: They must have learnt a lesson from this Iraq.

Sahaja Yogini: And Mother. We put your picture on the TV. The whole programme on TV has changed.
Shri Mataji: My picture on the TV?
Sahaja Yogini: Yes. On top of the TV. So, the whole program in the TV has changed. It was so terrible, especially with children. Because.
Shri Mataji: Teaching them violence.
Sahaja Yogini: Yes. And all left side stories.
Shri Mataji: About what?
Shri Mataji: To make them upset to make them cry. All left side stories for children. Shri Mataji: How did they allow you to come here? Did they allow you?

Sahaja Yogini: Yes, with the papers. They are very strict.

Shri Mataji: If Iran could change. What’s that? [Seeing the big socks ] Very big people. sometimes they increase sometimes they decrease. [Inaudible] But in America, there are lots of Iranians, who will take to Sahaja Yoga.
Sahaja Yogini: Also, in Iran, all Sahaja Yogis are Armenian from Russia.
Shri Mataji: How are they?
Sahaja Yogini: All are good. Especially the new ones. We have a new group of young people and they want to meditate and come for every day.

Shri Mataji: Really? Did you go there?
Sahaja Yogi: She was there. She just came from there.
Shri Mataji: Iraq?
Both Yogi and Sahaja Yogini: No Iran. Iran.
Shri Mataji: In Iran? I heard Iraq.
Both Yogi and Sahaja Yogini: No. No. Iran.
Shri Mataji: Iran. Do they come all the way?
Sahaja Yogi: No. These Armenians, they are from Russia but they have contacted her mother. So, they come for meditation to their house. But they are all from Russia. Ya. They are coming for meditation.

Shri Mataji: They are allowed for coming to Iraq?
Sahaja Yogini: Not to Iraq. It is in Iran in my house in Persia.
Sahaja Yogi: Persia. Persia. They are in Persia.
Shri Mataji: Persia.
Sahaja Yogi: Russian Armenians. They go every day to her mother’s house for meditation. Shri Mataji: Really?
Sahaja Yogini: Yeah. And they would be very glad if you could come to Turkey.

Shri Mataji: No. Armenia is more towards Iraq.
Sahaja Yogini: Yes. Iran and Turkey.
Shri Mataji: Turkey. If I go to Turkey, I might be able to see them. They can come to Turkey easily?
Sahaja Yogini: Yes. They can come. They don’t have any problems.
Sahaja Yogi: Jai Shri Mataji. No problem.
Shri Mataji: But they are accepted as Turkish? No, not yet? They are like refugees.
Sahaja Yogini: No. They are living in Iran.
Shri Mataji: But they are refugees?
Sahaja Yogini: No, no, no. They are not refugees. They live there after the war that happened between Armenia and Turkey.

Shri Mataji: Long time back.
Sahaja Yogini: Long time back. Some went to America, some came to [inaudible] some went to Europe. So, these are the ones that live in Iran and the nice thing is, that after they went to Russia the vibrations from there collected all the Russian Armenians. You see they are all connected with Russia. They are Armenians but from Russia. So, and also, we have one Persian Sahaja Yogini. She is half Russian half Persian.

Shri Mataji: It’s quite interesting. But these are Armenians are against the Muslim people, same Russians.
Sahaja Yogini: Yes.
Shri Mataji: They were Christians. These are not.
Sahaja Yogini: Yes.
Shri Mataji: They are Christians or Muslims?
Sahaja Yogini: Yes. All Armenians are Christians.
Shri Mataji: They are living in Iraq?
Sahaja Yogini: Yes. I am Armenian.
Shri Mataji: Eh?
Sahaja Yogini: I am Armenian.

Shri Mataji: But you are Christian?
Sahaja Yogini: Yes.
Shri Mataji: I see. There is no objection for Christians living there in Iraq?

Sahaja Yogini: No. There are some Zarathustra and some Jews. Some Armenians, some Bahais, some Australians.

Shri Mataji: Bahais they have tortured there, I think.
Sahaja Yogini: Yes.
Shri Mataji: They don’t like Bahais.
Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji there was an Armenian who came to Geneva. He came to Swiss. And he got realization in Geneva about six months ago and he went back through Moscow. He is staying with Bogdan for a month and he when he returned to Armenia, he organized a programme. There were more than two hundred people for the program, Shri Mataji.
Shri Mataji: Really?
Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Yes.

Shri Mataji: How do you go to Armenia?
Sahaja Yogi: I guess the best will be through Iran but otherwise you go to Russia, to Russia Shri Mataji and Bogdan has been Bogdan has control over there because he got realization in Geneva. He went back through Moscow to Armenia and we have contact with him. So, if you wish to be in Armenia Mother, we know how to get in touch with him.
Shri Mataji: Yes. Of course. Of course.
Sahaja Yogi: He was very much afraid of organizing the programme but he finally did organize it and two hundred people showed up.
Shri Mataji: Really?
Sahaja Yogi: So, it was very successful. Bogdan is in touch with them.
Shri Mataji: Eh?
Sahaja Yogi’ Bogdan is in touch with these Armenians.
Shri Mataji: All right. So, that’s when I go to Russia, we can contact him. [Inaudible]

Sahaja Yogini: Also, my mother is going to come to Russia.
Shri Mataji: Really? She can?
Sahaja Yogini: Her brother is living in Russia.
Shri Mataji: Is he?
Sahaja Yogini: Yes. So, first she is going to come first to Russia to her brother.
Shri Mataji: I hope we get all of them there from this Azerbaijan.

Sahaja Yogini: We don’t really know about them, but this worry is because now Iran is against Azerbaijan. They give them, they give grants to Armenians and they give petrol to them. So, Armenians fight instead of Iranians and Turkish. And one of those belongs to Armenian people which was taken away by Turkish people and now they want him back.

Shri Mataji: Do you think when I go? What about Azerbaijan?
Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji.
Shri Mataji: So, many were killed.
Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear] Russian Azerbaijan want to be one country. [unclear]

Shri Mataji: Somebody has to go and talk to them. Some sensible person. [unclear] just playing into the hands of the government.

Sahaja Yogi:[unclear] Shri Mataji. They are very nice people. It is very difficult to talk to these people.

Shri Mataji: Let me see I go down. They have done meticulously. The Russian ambassador invited me, he honoured me. He said we are very thankful for what you have done. Now don’t want anything. We don’t want any kingdoms. We don’t want any [unclear] any money. Nothing. What we want that in our country people should be pure-hearted clean type as you have described.

Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji. [He is talking in another language] Shri Mataji: Russia it works out I’ll go round. Good idea. Yogi: We have also a gentleman from Cuba Shri Mataji.
Shri Mataji: From Where?
Sahaja Yogi: Cuba. Cuba.
Shri Mataji: Eh? May God bless you.

Sahaja Yogi: They are related to Sandra. This is Sandra’s sister and her husband and this gentleman just came from Cuba Mr.Santiago.

[A Sahaja family comes forward to pay respects to Shri Mataji]

Shri Mataji: From Cuba?
New Sahaja Yogini: I am [unclear] and run away to Alabama and we have come back to Cuba [unclear]And he also the son of my sister. He also has come from Cuba three years ago and he is teaching there in Cuba now.
New Yogi: [unclear]
New Sahaja Yogini: In Cuba, he says the situation is very, very difficult. They cannot bring [unclear]
Sahaja Yogi: Have a Bandhan to Cuba.
Shri Mataji: Did they have as many [unclear] but ultimately the situation is so bad everywhere especially in Cuba.

New Sahaja Yogini: [talking to Yogis from Cuba in her language]
Shri Mataji: [unclear] They will have to do it.
Sahaja Yogi: To Sahaja Yoga.
New Sahaja Yogini: [speaking in her language]
Shri Mataji: And because this Communism has failed and these Cubans are trying to keep it up but it will all be blasted off.

New Sahaja Yogini: [unclear]
Shri Mataji: First of all, I can go. Of course. I would love to go. My husband has been there three times because Cuba President was having a problem with his wife. So, I said give a very beautiful statute of so big size out of sandalwood and of Shiva and Parvati but they are divorced.
New Sahaja Yogini: [speaking in her language]
Shri Mataji: This Castro you see. Before was D[unclear] Baker their president. D[unclear] Baker was their president.
New Sahaja Yogini: [speaking in her language]

Shri Mataji: He must be having that statue of Shiva and Parvati. My attention has been there. My attention has been very much in Cuba.

Another Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]
Shri Mataji: The first one?
New Sahaja Yogini: Yes, it’s the first one and he has got his realization and is now coming back to Cuba and he will stay there for[unclear]
Shri Mataji: It’s all right. I’ll come.
New Sahaja Yogini: [speaking in her language]

[Shri Mataji gets up to leave.]
Sahaja Yogis: Jai!
Children: Thank you Shri Mataji.
Shri Mataji: it’s quite a sunny day.
Sahaja Yogi: Thank you Shri Mataji.

Shri Mataji: [unclear] outside is there
Sahaja Yogis: [unclear]
Shri Mataji: All right. May God bless you.
Children: Thank you Shri Mataji.

Shri Mataji: Thank you. Thank you all of you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Now all of them are going to work it.

One Sahaja Yogi: This way Shri Mataji.

[One Sahaja Yogini put garland to Shri Mataji and another does aarti]

All Sahaja Yogis: Sakshat Shri Adishakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha.

Shri Mataji: I hope to see you all [unclear] in all the programmes.
Hello Sir. How are you? [addressing the dog] [Laughter]

One Sahaja Yogi: Better. He is much better.

Shri Mataji: Much better now. Even another one is happy.
Sahaja Yogi: Thank you Shri Mataji.
Another Yogi: Thank you Shri Mataji.
Shri Mataji: [talking to Yogis, Inaudible] Thank you. bye-bye.

Bolo Adishakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi ki Jai, ki Jai, ki Jai!