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Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, March 13th, 1995
So yesterday you had so many people, most unexpected, and I was discussing as to how will you have your follow-up program. How will you do that? Because every house at the most, thirty, even if you have ten houses, you will have only three hundred. So these ten houses, which are the ten houses raise your hands, I would like to see, all right. Now near your house is there any hall, your houses. It’s better that you book a hall, all right? Later you can also charge the people for the hall, doesn’t matter, they can pay. All of you should book a hall close by, all right? So that when people come in you can make them sit there because I don’t think you can manage with thirty people coming in your house and the rest will be standing outside. So the best thing would be to find out some hall which is close to your place that will solve your problem, all right? Already we are so many.
So today I’m going to tell you what we have to do in dealing with these people, it’s very important. First of all you must know that they have come for the first time for Sahaja Yoga. And Sahaja Yoga is the power of love and compassion, not of fighting or arguing. Supposing somebody is arguing too much then what should you do? You should just give up. They cannot understand Sahaja Yoga with argument because it is beyond the mind. If somebody argues too much or speaks too much, just keep quiet with him. You cannot explain to a person like that, you’ll just have a Agnya and all that from that person.
Now somebody who has been, say, to some guru or somebody, you should not say that, “Your guru was bad,” or anything. But you can say that, “I was also like you but it will be all right,” something like that doesn’t hurt them. Then gradually they will realize that their guru was wrong. Now with some people I’ve seen TM people are dangerous. They come to Sahaja Yoga but they seldom settle down. We had about two hundred people from TM out of which I think only five, six who have settled down. They’re all the time troublesome people. Some people are from this Satya Sai Baba. They have mostly heart trouble or eyes. Their eyes are affected. That’s how you should make out people, their eyes are affected. We have say, somebody from this Radha Swami, they have heart trouble. So immediately you will know also, their left Swadisthana will be catching and their heart will be catching. So with these people you should not argue or anything, just tell them, “Have you got these problems?” Then you will find people, I don’t know which other guru has come here, can you tell Me?
(Sahaja Yogi: Guru Maharaji)
My goodness! He is a …, he is now settled down with big money in America and he’s married already but his disciples are absolutely useless. Don’t try them because they are brainless, absolutely. Which else?
See, this Raja Yoga is a misnomer. What is Raja Yoga, is like this. That when the Kundalini rises then what happens that the centers open, to begin with, and then they close, to keep the Kundalini up there so it’s called as bandha, all right? When it comes to Vishuddhi also what happens, first the Kundalini rises, then the tongue is little bit pulled inside, you don’t feel it, Sahaja Yogis don’t feel inside and this is called as Khechari Mudra. Khechari means it is pulled inside, Khechari Mudra. You see these things happen automatically, like if there is a car. Now if you switch on the car it starts moving, its wheels, its everything, naturally. There’s nothing unnatural. So what these people do, they cut the tongue here, push it back, saying this is Khechari, now that has stopped because there was one organization called “Self Realization,” they used to do that. Then some people are doing bandha, but artificially for the Kundalini should rise for which you are doing the bandha. So these Raja Yogis are doing artificial things. Supposing you start moving the wheel will the car move? Or you start moving the, one of the tyres or something, it will all be spoilt. It has to be, first of all the connection like the connection of the telephone. If there’s no connection and you go on moving it then what, the telephone will be spoilt. All these prayers and all these things are like this.
In the same way, mantras. They give you some mantras somewhere, all kinds of stupid mantras. If your Kundalini has not moved up, if you’re not connected whatever you say mantra is useless, isn’t it? There’s no connection. But the mantras should be very scientifically said whenever necessary. For example, supposing it is stopped here. If you say the mantra of the Nabhi you’re doing wrong. That is how their life is ruined because they’ve spoiled their chakras. By saying wrong mantras they’ve spoiled their chakras, their brains are useless, I mean, they cannot become good Sahaja Yogis. So what you have to tell them, if they have got this problem put your left hand towards the photograph with the light, put right hand here and they have to say, “Mother, I am my own master,” ten times. If they go on repeating the “master” will run away, the false one who is there.
So this is the problem with the left-sided people. Now left-sided people suddenly become also prone to cancer and all these psychosomatic diseases, so they should take all the time three-candle treatment, but it should not be taken as a ritual, it should be taken as a bhakti, as a devotion. Otherwise if it’s just a ritual it doesn’t work out. It’s a bhakti, it is devotion, you have to feel that devotion within your heart and then you should do it. Yesterday I felt very much the devotion of the people who were there, I felt very happy, I was very clear, I was very happy because the people who had come were mostly very clean people, they’ve not been to any guru, to anything nonsensical, very nice people. Now even if you have been to some guru it can be cleared out. But you must know that this guru has ruined your capability to become a real Sahaja Yogi, to become a real Sahaja Yogi you have to have a very clean mind and a very clean central path.
Now one should say also harsh things, “You’re a bhoot, there’s a bhoot in you, you’re possessed,” never talk like that. Sahaja Yogis must be extremely, extremely compassionate and kind. And don’t argue, don’t fight, nothing. Every Sahaja Yogi must support another Sahaja Yogi. You see, it’s not that when there’s somebody talking, another Sahaja Yogi should go and support the person who is arguing. You must always support each other because we are one, we are collective, see the point? So this one is a test also of our Sahaja Yoga, how we deal with other Sahaja Yogis. You have to respect them, you have to show compassion, you have to understand them, you have to have patience. If they have any questions you should write it down and we’ll write to Mother, in case it is difficult. If it is easy you should explain to them. But argument should be avoided because you’ll catch from them. All bhootish people argue, they start saying, “This is not good, that is not good,” finding faults here and there. If you find anybody like that you ask him, “You get out of Sahaja Yoga, we don’t want you here.” They’re very troublesome people, so we don’t want them, we want people who understand Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yogis. They always find fault with other Sahaja Yogis, they’ll find faults with Sahaja Yoga. All such people you should say, “You go to some journalist and join journalism.” They’re absolutely useless and troublesome people, all right.
Now second point is very important is that they have to recognize Me as one of the main conditions of Sahaja Yoga. So far they’ve not recognized anyone of the incarnations, so far. And all incarnations tried their level best but nobody recognized them. But for Sahaja Yoga, this modern Sahaja Yoga, you have to recognize Me, it’s a fact I’m telling you, very humbly. There’s nothing, I don’t want anything from you, nothing. I don’t want anything. What is it, what are you surrendering? Is your ego. That’s what Mohamad has said, Islam means surrender. So surrender your ego. I’m trying to tell you that when you surrender your ego you’ll open out completely. Unless and until you can easily be, absolutely dissolved into the ocean of joy, you’re not a Sahaja Yogi. If you are still dissatisfied, if you still think, “No, no, no, Sahaja Yoga could be better,” this thing, that thing. It’s nothing, you have to be better and as yesterday we saw so many people coming down, we have to understand our responsibility. See, if I could do the work Myself, I would not have come all the way to Malaysia and Australia. But I need you people as channels for this energy. This energy has to flow through your channels. If the channels are defective, how can you flow the energy? So instead of correcting others, instead of finding faults with others, you better look after yourselves. Your leader is quite capable, he can look after the people, he knows what’s wrong with what.
The third thing is very important that we respect all the religions, not only that, we worship all the great incarnations and all the seers, prophets with the same reverence. There’s no difference. For us every religion is great but there are defects in every religion which we start seeing easily once we get out of this outside religion. Then we see what’s wrong with this and then we start understanding and then we start correcting it. Not only that but also when we see our own community, immediately you will find, for example, I was saying that Malaysians have too many cars. And every car has one passenger, so all the Malaysians laughed because they don’t mind, that’s a fact. So they do not identify themselves, they do not identify with their children or with their husbands or government or anyone. They identify themselves with Me in Sahaja Yoga. So what is wrong in your community you should see, if you cannot see then you are not a Sahaja Yogi. Because you’re outside, outside that community now, you’re a Sahaja Yogi now. You see what’s gone wrong with your community, where they went wrong, what wrong they did and that’s how you can really show them by your own behavior.
In your life, how you behave, how you talk, how you love others, how you respect others, it’s very important. Your image is the one that is going to carry Sahaja Yoga very far. Just one article has brought so many people. You will be surprised that, of course, forget about Australia, because Australia I’ve been going for years together and there’s too much of Australia. But otherwise Japan or, say, other places I go to, here and Hong Kong, tomorrow I’ll be going to Thailand, I’m sure we can never get so many people as we got here. We can say because there are so many Chinese and Indians who are culturally about the same people. It’s very difficult to teach anything to these Western people. I used to break My hands, you know actually, because they’re so conditioned, they have no tradition, nothing. But now they are changed so much, so much changed. They are such wonderful people, you know. I’m going tomorrow to Thailand, twelve people from France are coming to help us, can you imagine? All the way they’re coming to help people in Thailand, they’ve no relationship with Thailand. So that shows that we have to help each other. If you need any help, I told him that if you need any help in money or in anyway, all the Sahaja Yogis will help. Have a proper things to do and one can work it out. He said we’re self-sufficient, now you’ll be much more than self-sufficient. And if you tell them that we have to pay for this hall, all right give one dollar each, they’ll definitely give. You’re not paying for self-realization, for anything, you’re paying for this hall, clearcut, one should be honest and clearcut. And say we’re doing this or that because we don’t have any guru business here, you see, they’re all commercial people. What we need is a hall to meet every weekend, that you find out near your house, all right?
Now, another thing is that I was saying that every month end or maybe two months end you should go out somewhere for picnic or something where you all should meet. That’s how it has spread in Australia. If it is possible or if you can meet in one big hall but it is better to have a picnic-like thing with all the children there, food there, enjoying yourself for the whole day. You’ve such beautiful forests, such beautiful greenery here, you can go anywhere if you like and the company you’ll enjoy is only of Sahaja Yogis, nothing else you’ll enjoy, if you become the real Sahaja Yogi. Talk about this to your friends, tell them about this and try to get more and more people into Sahaja Yoga.
I think I was really so impressed yesterday, it’s all due to your own great help, I should say, the way you have worked and brought it to that level. It is unexpected, absolutely unexpected and it has really given Me the greatest pleasure.
Now if you have any question you ask Me.
(Question: Is there any swayambhu in Malaysia?)
I don’t know, I haven’t seen any. Must be, they’re everywhere. It’s not important because swayambhu, only thing is that is created by Mother Earth spontaneously and emits vibrations. If you go there you can testify it, that it is emitting vibrations but it cannot cure people, it cannot talk to people, it cannot give realization to people. So you’re much greater than a swayambhu, you see? Much more effective. What are these swayambhus doing for years together? Nothing. They can protect of course, protect you, but they will always protect you as soon as you become a good Sahaja Yogi you’re always protected.
Now the miracles are quite a lot. Also I’ll tell you about some miracles that have taken place, they are taking place everywhere. But last miracle that I heard about was in Delhi when one girl about fourteen years of age by mistake put a revolver of her father here. And she triggered it. And this bullet came out of here with some blood and there was a hole here, small and a big hole here and she was quite conscious. So they took her to the hospital and she was conscious, x-rayed her, everything. They were amazed at it that this bullet has not touched any bone, any lung, any muscle, anything. And as if it has strolled like that, it came out. I think her all the ganas must have helped to come and make it out, but it’s a big miracle and it’s a fact.
So there are so many miracles like that that happens suddenly you are, spontaneously find things, spontaneously everything works out and you’re amazed how these things work out. Now when this happens you can write it down, you can send it over to people in America, maybe in India. There’re so many miracles like that that are happening. But there are some people who start suddenly thinking that they’re mahayogis, they’re very dangerous people. They start seeing things, they start talking big, they think, “I’m a mahayogi.” There was one who said, “I’m Adi Shakti.” I said, “All right, you send him some of My saris, I’ve too many of them.” So there are stupid people like that also. They think they’re something very great, mahayogis. And they start saying, “I’m this thing, I’m that,” it’s horrible. So such people if you find you should immediately let Me know and also tell that person, “All right, you Mr. Mahayogi please go away.” There are everywhere like that, they do all kinds of things and talk like this without any sense in their head. So you have to be careful about it, not to be impressed by such persons who say this is this, this is this. There is nobody like mahayogi in Sahaja Yoga, everybody is the same.
(Question about boy in Canada who had seen Shri Mataji in his meditation.)
He has not seen Me or what? He’s not seen Me before? Where is he, Toronto? Quebec? I’ve not been there but could be possible he’s a great soul, it’s possible. If you see Me in dreams it’s good, very good to see Me in dreams. He must be seeing Me in dreams, I think. Could be, now I give up. You see, so much is happening. Like we had some photographs taken in Jaipur. So I’m not there at all, I mean, just all vibration everywhere, you have to see very microscopically I’m somewhere, My face. These vibration are, sometimes you cannot explain. Have you seen all the vibration photographs? It’s so much, with deities sitting, this, that. I give up now because this is all done by Paramchaitanya, it can do anything. These vibrations might appear in some mosques, in some temples, might.
(Question about ascending beyond the Sahastrara.)
First fix it up the one you have got it, all right? Now don’t go on futuristic, then you’ll become mahayogi. You go automatically, grow automatically, spontaneously in a sahaja way when you’re in thoughtless awareness. Try to increase that area, thoughtless awareness. Then you will automatically grow. Does this flower thinks how to grow? No, grows spontaneously, all right? In the same way you will grow when you just become thoughtlessly aware. And you will know your growth and you’ll become doubtless about it, all right? You can watch on My Agnya in the photograph, can become thoughtless. Thoughtless awareness is very important for, the first to establish yourself. Once you start establishing thoughtless awareness the doubtless awareness comes and then you are just settled down with yourself, you don’t think of future or past or anything, you are with yourself, all right? Real growth is natural and Sahaj. This is not artificially growing isn’t it? In the same way, it’s a living process of growth.
(Question on environment.)
No, we should be careful, at least as far as we are concerned you should be concerned about the nature and you should be worried about it, no doubt. But as Sahaja Yogis, you’ll be amazed that environment clears, it clears out as Sahaja Yogis and you won’t be so much affected by environment so much. It clears out environment also. There is one experiment Hamid has done. He’s done it in Austria where many trees were, had become dwarfed and burnt away like with this acid rain that comes from the environment. So he went there and experimented with some vibrated water but with so many trees, he didn’t know how much to put vibrated water for them. It worked a little bit. So then what he did, he took the badges you wear, you see, and pinned them on every tree. Not every tree but every ten trees. So he said that he went after two months and he found the whole thing had come up except for the trees which were about sixty years were not responding so much. Otherwise every tree had become great. So you just can imagine what happens.
He also experimented for growing more wheat. So he couldn’t put the vibrated water to the whole field, it was very difficult. There’s a pipe going like this. So what he did, in the pipe he put the ring that he was wearing with My photograph, and he experimented with that, can you imagine? So it is very effective but I think it’s more your shraddha in that photograph works out. But in India we get a kind of a dosa, we call it, like a funnel it is, it has two sides in which you can fix the two sides of a pipe and you can put vibrated water in that. It’s so remarkable that one of our fields had been put with the raw cowdung by somebody and all the small little, all kinds of insects, they crawled up to the leaves and were eating them. So we put the dosa and put the vibrated water, they all run away.
Vibrated water is very good. Tomorrow I’m going to leave vibrated water in NG’s house, everything vibrated but it depends also how you treat it, it’s very important, with respect. Respect is very important in Sahaja Yoga. If you do not respect that vibrated water it may not act because it thinks, vibrations can think, it loves and it thinks, must understand this point, it thinks. I’ve seen people who try to make some money out of Me and absolutely in big trouble. I didn’t give them trouble Myself, they’re in big trouble. Anything they try to do to Sahaja Yoga immediately they have some sort of trouble. I think these deities, you see, when My attention is not there they try to do something to them.
So one should not in any way be disrespectful and nobody should think that they have a special relationship with Me, some people think like that, that they have a special relationship with Me, such people will go of in Sahaja Yoga in no time. Nobody have special relations, I’m alone. So this idea also that, “I have a special relationship with Mother,” all these things can be very detrimental to your growth. No you have in your houses, say, little gardens or even tree or something is a good idea and put vibrated water, also you can drink vibrated water. Take little vibrated water and you can increase it in another bottle with other water but never put your hand into it, just take out with a spoon which is kept separately for that. It’s very important because everything has vibrations, bad and good. What other question?
(Question about havan ash.)
Havan is very good. Apart from three-candle treatment you can do also an aarti with the camphor, you can do havanas, it’s very good. But this is for the left-sided, not for the right-sided people.
(Question about Dharamsala school.)
Yes, why not? You can but first find out how many seats are there and things. It would be nice, please send them. Everybody is allowed. You have to pay, how much? You should find out how much to pay, it’s not much compared to what we pay in schools, in Western schools or in Malaysian schools, it’s a very good school, no doubt, it has changed the children completely, made them beautiful, no doubt. But only thing you should find out is if there’s a seat for the Malaysian children also. You write to Yogi or to Dharamsala school, you have no address of Dharamsala? Nobody has? You tell your leader and he can find out. You find out first how many children are going, you can telephone to Yogi. Yogi is nowadays in Delhi and now if you have to send you have to do it fast because they’re opening after My birthday. You need a visa for India? You need! Because you see these people started having for us, so Indians are vindictive now. They are after all Indians, why should they need. For no one they should have visa business, nonsense it is. But still the world has to be one. What else?
(Question about life being meaningless.)
Because you’re not working for Sahaja Yoga, your life is now for Sahaja Yoga. You dedicate it to Sahaja Yoga, that’s why, all right? If you dedicate your life to all kinds of nonsensical things then you think like that. But if you dedicate to Sahaja Yoga then there’s a meaning to it because now you’ve found our your identity, all right?
You can do it, nothing like it. I’ve done it on stations and on the roads, today in the shop but if you can do it properly then you do it. You see, by talking to people they will find you are very peaceful, you’re very quiet, then they’ll ask you, “How are you so quiet? How are you so peaceful?” And your face also shines, so then you should say about this, specially if you are wearing My badge then they’ll ask, “Who is this?” See wearing a badge is a very good way of propagating Sahaja Yoga, I’ve seen. Now you should put it here, why the bag. Not in your job but on the way going somewhere and on your table you can have it in your job. If they ask, “Who’s this?” you say, “My Mother,” finished. I look like Chinese, I look like everything. When I’m in Russia I look like Russian, when I’m in Spain I look like Spanish, so it’s all right I look like Chinese. In China many people thought I was Chinese. It’s better to have photograph when you’re travelling around, also you’re protected. People will ask, “Who is this?” You should say. But for job you can have it on the table if you like.
(Question: Can we give realization on the spot to a person?)
So you see, what is it you should pray to Me that, “Mother please give him self-realization,” finished.
There’s no difference at all. You see, My own daughters are not as fair as Myself and My own brother is very dark so you can’t say in India we have all complexions. Yes, what is it?
It has to begin with, you see you’re conditioned by that. By your previous life your karmas, you’re conditioned in the beginning but the whole thing drops out, whole thing drops out. On the contrary whatever good you were comes out. All bad things drop out. Supposing you were a seeker, you went to wrong people, you did wrong things, doesn’t matter, all will drop out, your goodness will come out. May God bless you.
(Question of playing Shri Mataji’s tapes in the car.)
It’s all right. You see you must only ask for forgiveness, that’s all. Respect is the thing. It’s not like other tapes, so you have to respect, respect is the best way to grow in Sahaja Yoga, I’ve seen, respect.
(Question about Sahaja Yogis being put to the test by Mahamaya.)
Who told you that? They just create stories, you know, like that. On the contrary it’s very different this year I must give you a good news that two people came to Me for their blessings, you see, one was known as Mr. Advani and his wife. They belong to the Bharatiya Janata Party and the
So there is no Mahamaya testing going on. They just try to frighten you. It’s your stupidity sometimes that people don’t realize and do things which they should not. I do not want to test anyone. Say you are under My protection fully but if you want to go away from My protection, I can’t help it, there are negativities all around, they catch you. So it’s not My testing but it’s your own testing yourself. Delhi people just want to frighten, they’re very anxious that I should have My birthday in Delhi. All right, now they are getting Seshan, you know Seshan, the fellow who was busy with the elections, he’s going to come and speak for Me. He met Me in a train and he was very sweet and humble, he touched My feet and he said, “Mother please protect me.” And now he’s going to speak. So all such good people are coming up, so it’s a nice idea. So Mahamaya is working on the other way round I think, getting good people here.
The less said the better, terrible people. I’ve been to Madras so many times. When I go there the hall is full. After that everybody disappears. One Mr. Moorthy was there, he said, “Mother all the goodus are born here,” I said, “Why?” They do all kinds of funny rituals, you see. They take out the hair of women, put the water on them. These Brahmins, you know, terrible. They have befooled everyone there, they have befooled even the Brahmins, what to do? I’m trying My level best. I want to go Kerala also, we’re trying. Last year I went there, I was very disappointed. And the Sahaja Yogis also some of them are very funny, very funny. It’s all right, I think gradually everywhere it will work out but see, Punjab, it’s growing so fast. They said you cannot control it, it’s so fast, they said this time Mother had to come to Punjab. Otherwise I will go to all Delhi. Then in north India, you’ll be surprised in place like Haryana where people didn’t know who was Dattatreya, you know even in U. P., nobody knew Dattatreya. Such Sahaja Yogis. There were thirty five gates they raised for Me on the road when I went there, thousands and thousands and thousands. In Delhi itself there are sixteen thousand Sahaja Yogis. I used to call
What do you mean dry? You start crying? It’s all right, it happens, you’ll be all right. You see emotional things are there now within us, many people who see Me, first time they start crying and I also cry with them. This is love for Mother. It’s all right. That is conditioning that you want to touch My feet. My feet are everywhere, all right? The thing is if you touch My feet everybody will touch My feet. In the beginning I allowed, so My feet swelled like that, you know, and in Maharashtra then one gentleman he said, the leader, that nobody should touch Mother’s feet, so they started beating him. Indians unless and until they touch My feet they never feel satisfied. But you must have some mercy on My feet, you see, they have to do a lot of work. They get very swollen up.
(Question on vegetarianism.)
Vegetarianism is not a bad thing and it’s not something purnivan also, if you don’t like, don’t eat. If you like it, eat it but you shouldn’t say that eating meat is a wrong thing because the animals aren’t made for us, everybody used to eat meat, Shri Rama used to eat meat also and also Shri Krishna. So because they were kshatriyas, you see, they were kshatriyas, are you a Brahmin? You are a what? Kshatriya? You’re not a Brahmin? It’s all right, if you don’t like, it is, you see, whatever suits you. Now for Me I will be surprised, I can’t eat vegetarian food much, immediately I will get diarrhoea, no the Goddess has to have meat. Though I may like or may not like I have to eat it, what to do. That’s My swabhava.
(Question on the pronunciation of mantras.)
It won’t have any effect bad on you but you have to use My name with the mantra so that you are doing all right and nobody will trouble you. But you don’t say wrong mantras normally but if you are saying something wrongly then better get it corrected but My name should be there otherwise nobody will listen to you, it’s a recommendation.
(Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi.)
H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi