Christmas Puja. Ganapatipule (India), 25 December 1996.
Today, we are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. The birth of Jesus Christ is very symbolic, because he was born in such a manner that even the poorest of poor won’t be born in the stable. And he was put in the bed which was made of dried grass.
He came on this earth to show people that for a person who is an incarnation or who is a highly evolved soul, is not bothered about the comfort of the body. His message was so great and so deep, but he had disciples who were not prepared for the battle they had to fight. Is the same thing that sometimes happens with Sahaja Yoga. He had only 12 disciples, we too have 12 types of Sahaja Yogis, and all of them, though [they] try to dedicate themselves to Christ, fell a trap, some of them, to the worldly aspirations or to their own hankerings.
His message of love and forgiveness is the same even today. Preached by all, all the saints, all the incarnations, all the prophets. They all have said about love and forgiveness.
If it was challenged or people felt that this won’t work out, they were asked to have faith in what he said. But they were simple people in those days so they obeyed him. Some of them definitely were very good, some of them half-baked and few of them were people who were doubting.
He came on this earth to prepare for us our Agnya chakra and despite all his efforts one finds very difficult and the people who follow Christianity have the worst type of Agnya. Worst type! Extremely aggressive, extremely planning type, futuristic. I mean all the troubles of the right side are found in those countries who claim to be Christians. Even the early Christians who were Gnostics, ‘gne’, ‘gne’ in Sanskrit means ‘know’, though [they] had the knowledge, the beginners were also suppressed and tortured by the people who were supposed to be in charge of Christian religion. And so many Christians were massacred by the so-called Christian priests and Christian churches, and still it is going on.
What you find in the west is a great influence of these churches on the minds of the people. Otherwise they are supposed to be intellectuals, otherwise they are supposed to be analytical, otherwise they are supposed to be something very brainy. But when it comes to temples and churches, when it come to religion, when it comes to Christianity, I think their brains are blocked, completely blocked, by some sort of a mesmerism. They just can’t think that there could be something very wrong with these people.
When living in Italy, I found or I was shocked how this catholic church was working out and what the priests were doing and all kinds of scandals much more than we have in our country! Money bungling and molesting women and having children – I mean every sort of dirty habit they had. Supposed to be priests. They were called ‘fathers’, they were called ‘mothers’, they were called ‘sisters’, they were called ‘brothers’. And to me it was really a shock – I didn’t know that such things are happening in the name of Christ. What Christ tried to show through his birth: there is no need to have very comfortable, great birth in a big hospital in London, no!
The simplicity of his birth should have made all the Christians extremely simple and not at all money oriented. For money they went all round, crushed so many people all over the world, when you go to Brazil or to Chile or to Argentina, you do not find a single man belonging to the aboriginal people and they’re so unkind to them. Unbelievable how aggressive these people are. Even in England, where there’s protestants I find the same thing among them. You must go on saying “thank you, thank you” morning till evening, otherwise you are finished.
Racialism. What was the race of Christ? Was he a fair man? No! Was he a white person? Not at all! What was His colour? He was brown like Indians. From where does this racialism come to these Westerners? I just don’t understand. It has nothing to do with Christ or if it is real Christianity.
You go anywhere, you’ll be surprised, how the faithful, simple-hearted people are misused by these churches. They’re used for voting, they’re used for money, for everything – to such an extent that money was made, artificially counterfeited in billions, by the church itself.
Such autocracy, such control, such authority they had that whatever they did was, the pope is infallible, whatever he does is alright. No idea of sinning, no idea of hell, no idea of Christ – which was nothing but purity and innocence.
Christ had taken a hunter and hit all the people who were selling in front of the temple, because God cannot be sold. They were not selling God, they were selling only goods, but he said the respect of the temple, talked about the respect of the temple.
Another great thing Christians have done, is to blame Jews for killing Christ. Wonderful! Put all the blame on others, this is the speciality of Christians even today, is to put the blame of what wrong you are doing on others, very common. And this is what you see very clearly in those countries, who call themselves Christians. They blamed Jews. First of all, those who were Jews at that time might have been Indians later on. Alright, so they don’t believe in reincarnation. I mean to say the same Jews who were there are born again.
Thirdly that the Jews never killed Christ, never, because in the multitude how can you decide? Is the judge who decided and ordered, he was a Roman. So the Roman empire didn’t want to take the responsibility of His death so they said Jews have killed Him. So Mr Hitler got after them and he really tortured them, really it’s too much, one can’t even understand how can – he believed in catholic religion, how could he kill small little children, in the gas chamber?
But now the same people who were tortured are also becoming very aggressive and now they are against the Palestinians and the Palestinians on their own are Muslims and the Muslims are playing a havoc all over.
So when you go through the history, and see the life of Christ, what do you find is aggressiveness from one to another, from that to another, passing from one to another. If somebody slaps somebody, the another person will try to kill that person.
So this religion has created this divisiveness; people are just killing each other in the name of God, in the name of religion. Even in Sahaja Yoga, you’ll be surprised, I have seen people taking advantage of my name, and trying to get into some mesmeric groups. I can’t understand. Using my name, using my photograph! So beware this should not happen to you people. Using the name of Christ, the Incarnation of Divine Love, they are doing all these works of violence, hatred, of cheating, I mean very debased people. And from one to another it passes, to the another it passes.
Same thing happens in Sahaja Yoga. If I told somebody that you are no more a leader, somebody else is the leader, immediately that person gets angry, he forgets what good sahaj has done to him, he just forgets. If I tell him the leadership should pass to somebody else, finished! Then he forgets that whatever good was done to him, whatever Sahaja Yoga has done for him, he’s living only because Sahaj has helped him. So this leadership goes into the heads of people.
Sahaja Yoga is not here to make leaders out of you, no never. It is just for convenience we have leaders and if they become inconvenient we have to change it, that’s all, as simple as that.
But still I find this idea of authority is something very great and they start using it left and right, everywhere it is happening practically in every country, has happened and still happening which is a very sad thing. This will never bring forth my efforts.
My effort is to synthesise the whole, not to divide, by no chance to divide. Only thing, whatever is wrong, whatever is unholy has to be brought to your notice. See as a housewife, when we clean the rice, there are some white stones in it, we take them out. We don’t cook rice with that stone, do we? And such stones have to go out. So some of them are just like stones. You cannot change them. Namadeva has said that they are like a fly, who when lives gives us trouble by coming on our food and by making us feel nauseated and if by mistake we take her inside in our stomach, she is dead but still she troubles us. These are all rakshasas, I should say. They can never understand Sahaja Yoga and they will always try to trouble us.
But what must the people who have achieved Sahaja Yoga should do. Should they also take to such methods? I have never blamed anyone for anything. Like, people say, “Mother he didn’t give any money to Sahaja Yoga so he has lost all his money.” I never say like that “He should have donated some money!” I never ask for donations, I never ask for money. Every time I say it’s all sufficient. Don’t need. I have never asked for a single pie from anyone to be given to me even when I needed because I know I don’t have that problem.
From the life of Christ one has to understand. He had no problems. He was fearless. He knew he was the son of God. He had no problems at all. He faced everything, even his crucifixion. And people, I think, liked his crucifixion or what? They carry the cross. Of course is the transformed symbol of Swastika no doubt but still.
He had to sacrifice his life. He sacrificed his life for all the human being not for only white or black, brown or blue but he sacrificed his life for all of us so that we could cross over our agnya. The condemnation we should do is not of others but of ourselves. We can call that as a crucifixion of ours by which we see as Sahaja Yogis where are we going.
I’m told there are some 80-90 Sahaja Yogis who have come, who were mesmerised by some people. How could Sahaja Yogis be mesmerised? Is it possible? They never must be praying, they may not be doing meditation. How can they get into it? And now they are asking for forgiveness. I forgive but that doesn’t mean they will be alright. We cannot fix them anymore.
We do not put spoiled apples with the good ones, do we? This [is] no wisdom. They are already spoiled, and they should keep out till I say. They should not attend any centre, they should not come to any puja. They should let them cleanse themselves. Though a rotten apple cannot get well they can.
They should try to understand that they were not Sahaja Yogis. If a Sahaja Yogi can get mesmerised, then what’s the use of doing Sahaja Yoga. What’s the use of getting your Kundalini raised? That means that they are very poor Sahaja Yogis. Surprisingly I have not seen this kind of a phenomena in the west, very surprising! Western Sahaja Yogis, whatever they were, they are great Sahaja Yogis, I must say if you consider the number of good people there. They have given up so-called Christianity, they have given up all this nonsense, drinking, drugs, womanising, everything they have given up. And I haven’t met one person who has taken to drinking again or who has taken even to smoking.
This Yoga bhoomi of yours, which is India. How could it happen here? Specially in Maharashtra. I think some devilish people are born in this Maharashtra all the time because how is it they tortured each and every saint? How?
How is it, they have been so much enticed by somebody who is saying something which I have never said? Shows a very low type of people, very low. And they must have been always being born in this Maharashtra, I am sure and again they are born today.
I never wanted to talk about this at the jubilant time like this when Christ was born. Yes, it’s a thing of jubilation because He came as a Saviour. He did everything that is possible under the sun. For us it’s alright but what about Him, what did we give Him?
In the same way many Sahaja Yogis go on demanding, Mother we can’t even meet you, we can’t even shake hands with you, we can’t even fall at your feet. We can’t do this, we can’t do that. It surprises me. “You must do this, You must do that.” All the time lecturing to me.
What you must do? You must do, is to meditate and to believe that this Paramchaitanya is My power and that you have felt My power within you. The more you are away from you the better you will be. Absolutely, I can’t understand the demanding nature of some Sahaja Yogis. They have got their Jagruti (awakening of Kundalini) which would never have happened.
If Christ wanted, He would have killed all of them and lived very well, but I think He must have been fed up with the stupidity all around.
So at this time, we have to understand that such a great Incarnation came on this earth. Of course he couldn’t give Realisation. Imagine the people who were about to crucify Him, how could he give realisation? Supposing somebody comes with the dagger at Me, can I give them realisation?
It’s all right. Nobody listened to Them, nobody thought anything of them but not you!
You people have got your realisation. You are born again people. You are great people. Your potential is there. Instead of utilising that now, what are you doing? How many people are really involved in Sahaja Yoga? Introspect. They have their own business, they have their own this thing, they have – How many are really involved in Sahaja Yoga?
He had only twelve disciples, except for one or two, all of them dedicated without realisation, dedicated fully to the work of Christianity and which spread because they had not much idea about the whole thing. The Christians that they had were just converts, useless people and I would say that if they did not do any justice to the birth of Christ, one can understand.
But what about you people? Who are born twice, who have got their self Knowledge, who are so equipped with all the powers, who are connected with this all power, what you can call the power of Divine Love? All your powers can be utilised, can be known. It’s like some dynamic machine which has started. Few wheels are moving but there are so many wheels after wheels and so much you can do. I cannot blame the Christians who are so stupid because after all they never got their awakening. Only some priest would bring some water, put it on their head and baptised them, finished. But what about you people?
I have lived because of you, because I wanted to see that you people mature. That’s the idea of the Mother is. There are many who are matured, I would not say, but still many have to be matured. Doesn’t mean that you should be able to give big lectures, or write books or anything. But within yourself you should mature. Your own personality should flower into the fragrance of love of divinity.
This is what I would say is the difference between Me and Christ. He said “Baba I had enough, No, No, No more! With these stupid people.”
Not Me, I knew what was the world like. I knew what had happened to this world. Today the world is much worse, because all the religions are fighting among themselves, firstly. All the politicians are trying to be very badly corrupt, competing in that corruption. Nobody has sense of truth and honesty. Everybody is involved in the advertisement, newspapers, media, this, that, which is the most corrupting influence today.
With all this background, I know by the year 2000, Sahaja Yoga will come out in the whole world as something very great…(applause) – You did not allow me to complete the sentence – if you people become real Sahaja Yogis. All of you. All of you who are attending to Me here. Even this much group if it becomes real Sahaja Yogis. It doesn’t matter if I cannot meet you personally. It doesn’t matter if I cannot go to your places. It doesn’t matter, nothing matters. Christ’s disciples worked when he never existed.
So it’s not important, what is important is that you are the people who are responsible for the emancipation of this world, for the synthesis of this world, to bring peace and joy and happiness to people.
Just now when I was coming, people spread the shawls. It reminded Me of Christ when he came, they brought palms leaves to wish him and spread their shawls on the ground for him to go, and where does he go? To Gallows. He goes to cross, he goes for his death.
When you show your love for Me, you have to know that you have to love the whole work of Sahaja Yoga. It’s not some personal relationship with Me that is going to work out. All these western countries in the influence of Christianity will go down, you will see. They are going down already because there’s is no morality. There’s recession, all kinds of problems, their children are wavered, they are drinking, smoking, doing all kinds of things.
Even their influence on us is corrupting us. Antichrist activity, throughout if you find. It’s nothing but antichrist activity. Who is the Antichrist? They are describing he is the antichrist, that fellow is the Antichrist. That’s not the thing. There is an antichrist within us, who accepts all these things which are against the purity and love of Christ. So first of all among yourselves.
What is he going? Sit down! You must teach your children some manners. This girl who was drowned is because you neglected the child. The father, where was he? I don’t know. I can’t understand how can a child be left like that. It’s important to discipline your children.
…if you have a neighbour, you’ve had it. He will try to find out where you go, what you do. He will have a binocular to see and you make any noise, you are finished but even if you sing, you are finished. In that way, Indians are better. They don’t have that noise difficulty. We don’t have. Indians can live in the noise. I wanted to find out why Indians are so adjustable to noise. They don’t mind noise. I found out the reason is that in the west people are under stress and strain and that’s why they can’t bear. But in India, people don’t know what is stress and strain is. Still that has not developed, I don’t know how to that extent. That disease has not come.
That might be the reason that they are so much frightened of noises. People will come from villages here. They’ll sleep on the station, nothing happens. The trains are coming and going, nicely sleeping. Imagine in the west, thank God, in Italy we have neighbours little far away, we had a little trouble. But in England, we had to go on changing our ashram from one place to another, run away from here to there, because of great neighbours, we had one of them had the name Mr Peace. I don’t know who gave him that name. Such contradictions in life. Such horrible contradictions. I don’t know how will they learn how to love their neighbour. But Indians do. Somehow they don’t have this problem, not much. Sometimes they have but not so much. But if there is a music supposing, all the neighbours will join, bring tea, bring this, they’ll be enjoying the music.
But there the collectivity is so little I think, I can’t understand how can they call themselves Christians. Only they go to church, well dressed and our Mayor told Me that for fifteen minutes hardly we can sit. We start looking at the watches. Fifteen minutes. And after half an hour, we all run out of the jail and how is it these people are sitting with you for hours together. I said, I must be mesmerising them.
I mean they are not so collective, unless and until they drink, they cannot be collective. Unless and until they get intoxicated, they cannot talk to each other. They are all the time tired. They are supposed to be Christians. They are so tired, you see them in the films or anywhere, they come and sit down “hah!”. What has happened? Young people. All the time thinking, thinking, thinking, which comes from Agnya. Which comes from anti-Christ activity! Anti-Christ activity, thinking, thinking, thinking. What should we do tomorrow? What is to be done and all that.
Still we have to hope that this kind of religion will finish. All such religions must finish. They have to go now, it’s too much. you cannot support them. They are so much full of anti-religious temperament that you just can’t bear them. Better to finish Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism, all isms one after another. To what religion did Christ belong? I don’t know.
You belong to one religion which is Sahaj. Which is the universal religion, which is the pure religion, which is born within you. You don’t belong to any other religion because there is no religion in that.
So by the time 2000 years, I hope all these religions will run away from this earth. (applause). All of them fighting for nothing at all, killing each other for nothing at all. They want, they want to fight, they like to fight. Why blame Koran, why blame Bible, why blame Christ, why blame anyone. They want to fight. They are of divisive nature. They want to have separate nations, separate communities, separate this. Once you start separating you are antichrist. Absolutely.
In Sahaja Yoga also I say that you are one identity, you are not separate country, separate organisation, separate this, doesn’t exist in my own idea. Doesn’t exist. I never thought of it. We are all children of one Father and of one Mother. We have no business to think we are separate. Even now, I have seen groups are made very easily. How? The groups are made. Like I find Maharashtrians are sitting together (Mother talks briefly in Marathi.) Then we have group of the North Indians. Indians are quite separatist I tell you, somehow, by temperament. North Indians also have separate separate ideas. “You must come to Indore.” Why? Is it not a part of India? They can’t come to Delhi? “You must come to Kanpur, You must come to Allahabad, you must come to Indore.” You must go to every village, every place. Why? You are born today in Delhi, tomorrow you will be born in some horrid place, then, “This place is mine. This is my house..must come to my house.”
That’s another headache. “You must come to my house.” Mine, mine, mine, mine. Once you start that, you are finished, you are no more belonging to Christ, no more. This is a very, very common programme – even today that, if you see around yourself, must be people from your own country. Just see around yourself, are you sitting with another people? Who is the other? In Sahaja Yoga, who is the other? We are all one and this unity we have to learn, if you really love Me and Christ.
All this groupism and all this has to end now among Sahaja Yogis, must end. We are all one identity, we are all one living body. We are all one living organism. We cannot say we are separate. Can this hand separate from the body, can it exist? Once you start giving it up, you will be surprised, you will have real enjoyment. But once you have all these ideas about my, my, you can’t even enjoy Sahaja Yoga. Cannot enjoy anybody else – “my wife, my children, my house”, my this, my that. That awakening has to come within. “I don’t belong to this country.”
Many girls you see and boys have written, “We’ll have Indian marriage.” Only the age of the woman is 35 years. Only! Now where will I find a husband for her in India, must be some widower or somebody. Must have an Indian marriage! Can you beat that? Such people, is impossible to marry them. I give you choice, all right have a choice. I also have a choice – I can’t marry you! That is My choice! You have the freedom to say where you want to marry – alright marry. But as far as I am concerned, I can’t marry you like that. You have to marry wherever there is a good match for you. Many Indian girls have married with Indians boys, and have suffered a lot, such a lot, you won’t believe! (talks in Hindi briefly).
Not in Sahaja Yoga any more! We have not been able to organise even one marriage of a Hindustani with an Hindustani – not possible. That’s not the desire of the Divine. Why don’t you find in your own community somewhere [the] same thing. As in India, is very particular. Very very particular. Like when my daughter was to be married, they said “No! He his not a Shrivastava. If he is a Shrivastava also, he is not the same Shrivastava. Even if he is the same Shrivastava, his this thing is different!”
I mean. I said, “Now this is going to finish”. Because I had all my elders living and they were after me. I said “Whether he is a Shrivastava or not Shrivastava I am going to marry them, finished!” My husband agreed. Same with my grandchildren. If you get Shrivastava, well and good, otherwise forget it. Maharashtrians also same. Maharashtrians who have become Christians [are] also the same, you be amazed, Christians! Now they are saying we are Dalit Christians, means who were converted from the lower caste into Christianity. Now there is a new caste that’s come. Once you have become Christian, what is your caste? You are Christian, not that. They are Dalits and they are higher Christians. They will not marry in the Dalit and Dalit won’t marry in the higher. Supposed to be Christians, following Christ, going to church regularly, well dressed. Even if they do not have a proper suit. They must wear like English some suit, borrow it, and go to church because according to Indian Christians, Christ was born in England. (laughter) Really, you won’t believe. Unless and until you wear a suit and a tie, you can’t go to the Church. Can you imagine, anybody, going with a dhoti to church? (more laughter) Impossible situation.
Even in my time, thank God I didn’t marry a Christian, but my own sisters and all were forced to wear veils and not the saris, wear the frocks and the veils. Can you imagine the wedding dress. We, Indian women, can’t do without the saris. But they were forced. So many women married the way English marry. And I was amazed even the Japanese who are Christians come to Australia and dress up like these English brides and get married – because they are Christians. That shows that they believe that Christ was born in England or what?
Actually, for Christians it’s not necessary to worry about any dress. All this nonsense comes from the West that you must dress up like this, you must have your spoon here, fork here. Did Christ eat with fork and spoon? He was born in the manger. It’s impossible to understand these people are Christians. So much worried about the spoons and forks and they came to your house for dinner, they lift the plate to see from what company you have bought it. [That’s] very important! Such silly people! I tell you they call themselves Christians. Christ was born in the manger and [they are] so particular about nonsensical things.
You see one must understand the greatness of His birth, in which he has shown that he was born with the cows tied there and the calves were there. He was born in the manger.
Not only the Christians abroad but they are also in India the same – you can make out a Christian in no time. See them on a Sunday morning. That way my father opposed it – he used to wear kurta, because Christ wore kurta. He didn’t wear suit, did he? And so superficial they are. Nothing to learn from them. They will put here on top [a label written] “Saville Row”, On top of the suit!! Such stupid people, I tell you, and the Indians are following them left and right, I can’t understand. They are anti-Christ. Don’t follow them on these points.
Indians have at least certain sense of dignity. If you have any, why should you wear a suit on a May day here? In this heat? We are Sahaja Yogis. We have to wear a common dress of a common man. Whom are we going to impress except for this Paramchaitanya? They are extremely superficial extremely meticulously particular about their dress, how they live and it’s really horrible.
I have seen this and that is the reason I think I should warn you. Don’t take to that culture, that is anti-Christ culture. Absolutely anti-Christ in every way. In every way they have insulted Christ out and out.
You people should not anymore insult Christ. In a simple way you live. I mean now this sari, they forced me to wear is like a big bag for Me but what to do. Yesterday also they forced Me, today also they forced me. I am supposed to wear all this because I am Adi Shakti, supposed to be. If I was Christ, I would have been better off. He was much more free than Me!
Now, with all this what we have to know, what is the message? What is the message of Christ? That you develop your spirituality, your divinity by which you know what is the dignity of a Sahaja Yogi is. He was your eldest brother I should say. His lifestyle you should follow. Absolutely not afraid of anything, not worried about any job, nothing, not worried about any business anything, absolutely free from all worries.
So many examples we have, beautiful examples of his life, but when we see Christians, we try to reflect it as an expression of the life of Christ and that is where we make mistake. They are, by no means they are for Christ, they are, by no means, following Christ.
So as Sahaja Yogis, we have a different culture. We have a culture where we respect morality. We have dignity, we have our own personality. We are fearless, we don’t tell lies, we don’t cheat and we can never get mesmerised.
So we have to have, now we can call it “the Mother’s culture”, and which is not in any way showing off, or in any way taking to artificial things. The whole thing will change, the whole concept will change, whole idea will change, once you understand that you are now in “the Mother’s culture”. Now they have forced me, so I am wearing all right. You want me to wear, alright I’ll wear. But normally if you leave it to Me what do I wear, you know that. Secret is out already!
If you want to give me presents, give me, I never asked you for presents, nothing! Forcing the presents on my head! Alright, for your joy’s sake you have it. What to do? But one thing I must request these Maharashtrians. They are not going to give me anymore, anymore, again anymore what they call is the oti part. My oti is overfull. Absolutely, nobody has to give me oti. If somebody gets married, if somebody has a child, somebody has anything, they’ll bring the oti. There is no need to give me any oti, you can go to the temple, you give your oti there it is resold and resold and resold in between the sellers who are Gujaratis, the brahmins who are the pujaris make money. So no more oti, nobody is going to give Me any oti whatsoever.
On a Christmas day I have to say one thing – what did we give to Christ. And the second question what are we going to give to Mother. This is very important. I don’t want anything from you, nothing. I am fully content with Myself.
What I want is that you must dedicate yourself to Sahaja Yoga, to truth and to love. I will be very happy and also not to talk like, what you call, Christ has called them, “murmuring souls” – talking here there, one saying there. All this.I don’t like at all. I don’t like it and it should not be done. If you do like this, you will fall, fall very badly.
This is the last judgement. Either you‘ll go to heaven or you‘ll go to hell. It’s already working out like that. So let’s see. Where are you? So I have to again and again tell you as your mother, I have to correct you and tell you that remember this is the last judgement and please, do not take anymore to the activities which are anti-Christ.
You can judge within yourself – [whether] whatever you are doing is not good, and for that, best thing is to dedicate yourself to Sahaja Yoga. But not to make money out of Sahaja Yoga. Not to make politics out of Sahaja Yoga. But make Sahaja Yoga like a big, huge, big tree and it will work out. I know it will work out. You have the potential. That’s why you are here.
May God bless you all!
They believe in the most expensive sari: You see My conditions.
H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi