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Wiltern Theatre Public Program, Los Angeles USA. 1 June 2000.

I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset I have to say we should know what is the truth. Everybody is seeking the truth but they have no idea as to what they should find. There is an urge within us because these times are special, and we are seeking. But still we don’t have a clear cut idea as to what we should seek and what we should achieve after our seeking. Now I would like to refer to all the great books on religion, about truth.

They all have said that “you have to know yourself”. Knowing yourself is the point, and that you have to become the Spirit. It’s said in all these religions but though we can find that these religions are not really doing that. They are not yet able to give you the truth. And that’s why there is so much of conflict, so much of fights going on. They are all real religions no doubt, and the essence of every religion is the same. Despite all of that they are fighting in the name of religion. How can that be? It can be explained very well, that if we have lost our way we can go into opposite directions. So when we know, we have to know ourselves. And that is our goal of life. That is how we are going to improve on our life as such. That has been not so clearly explained. But where there is an arrangement within us or not, it’s been told by most of them. And that arrangement as must have been told to you, lies in the triangular bone, three and a half coils of energy which is Divine, which can connect us to the All Pervading Power of truth, which is a very subtle energy. And when that happens, you get connected with that power and that power starts flowing through you and you can feel it on your fingertips that power flowing. This is a fact, we have to first verify before denying it. If it could happen to you all, that you can feel this All Pervading Power on your fingertips, then it’s an experience.

It’s not just My giving you a big lecture or telling you about something fantastic, but it’s actualization. Most important thing is the actualization, is the becoming of your being, the Spirit. This has to happen. All kinds of acrobats people may tell you. It’s absolutely I must say is a false pretext. No amount of acrobats are necessary. It is Sahaja, Sahaja means is spontaneous. It is within you. All of you have this power. All of you are capable of becoming the Spirit. But you must understand what you should expect, what you should become. Unless and until you have proper value system about it, nothing can be explained, and you can be misled by all other nonsensical things. Of course you can’t pay for it because it is the living process of your evolution. Now you are at a human awareness but it’s not sufficient. You have to rise higher, higher into the realm of spirituality. It is not spiritualism but spirituality, where you become the Spirit, the master.

It is not difficult at all, I assure you it’s not difficult. America has been somehow the last, the last place. Because I came long time back to begin with. But I found people were running after all kinds of business, nonsensical people. Then I gave up, I said “I’ll go to America after 9 years”. And then I came and gradually I started understanding that they are seekers. They are really seekers. Not that they are in any way hypocritical. But it is the way that people are enticing them and taking them under their own control that they cannot see the point. And the point is you can’t do anything about it. A person may come and tell you, “you must get detached, give me all your property, all your money and I’ll give you two pairs of clothes to wear” and so many have done that. By doing this kind of nonsense are you going to enter inside yourself? Is it possible, just think of it, so many people have come here telling you all kinds of stories. In your humble seeking you have been misled and I feel very sorry for it.

Now try to understand that you have been very special people as human beings, and that you have to become the super human being we can call, the greatly evolved soul. We have so many, we had so many, and those we had we called them by different names. They were called as sufis and great masters. But they are not intelligent, normal to people, because unless and until you have the awareness which is enlightened by your Spirit, you cannot understand what they are talking about. Now the time has come for all of you to get your realization. You have been seeking for ages now, and it is already described in books that the day will come, the time will come. They call it as Kali Yuga. It is the worst time, that is now.

At this time people who are seeking God in the hills and dales will get into proper family life, and they will get their Self-realization through this Kundalini awakening. Now in the name of Kundalini also lots of nonsense has been said, which is surprising. How people accepted that a Kundalini can be dangerous, and a person who gets Kundalini awakening will be very much harmed. Now She is your Mother. Kundalini is your exclusive Mother. She knows each and everything about you, She knows about your faults and also your aspirations. Everything is recorded in Her, and She is extremely careful when She gives you this second birth and She takes up all the problems upon Herself. She doesn’t bother you, She doesn’t trouble you and She’s the one who looks after your second birth. Again I say it is the actualization, actualization of baptism you can call it. But it’s not the way they do. It’s actualization, it happens that this rises, passes through six centers and pierces through your fontanel bone area and you do feel on your hands, fingers and out of your head the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. This has to happen. Otherwise whatever stories one may tell, you shouldn’t believe. It has to show results. Now these centers that we have, all these seven centers are responsible for our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual being.

So many people get cured, many people have problems mentally, they get cured, and spirituality you get endowed with the absolute knowledge, absolute knowledge, not knowledge that we learn in the schools or colleges, but the knowledge which is absolute. For example if you want to know about someone, you can ask a question, and you’ll be amazed. If the question is yes, then you start getting the cool breeze flowing fast. But if it is no or it is wrong, then you might get little tingling, or might get very hot from those persons who are to be tested. It’s a very, very interesting, precise and a scientific method. Now if there are doctors I would like to tell that you get in control with the para-sympathetic nervous system. Luckily there’s going to be a big conference with Me, with the doctors in New York. What association it’s called as? I don’t know that. Alright, now in that, they are convinced now, that what I’m saying is a fact and that it helps you. You get cured by yourself, and you can also cure others. There’s no need to have these horrible modern diseases that you are afraid of. You can just find out about it in no time. Apart from that, that you just know how to treat others, how to cure others, how to help others. But apart from that, what you get is the spiritual blessing and the spiritual blessing is this – that you get the peace in your heart.

Surprisingly, when this Kundalini rises She somehow or other by joining with the Divine power, All Pervading Power, assumes a personality which is extremely pure, extremely benevolent, extremely tolerant and extremely truthful. All your enemies that we call like anger, lust, greed, all these enemies just drop, and you are no more in the entanglement of those enemies. And you become a free person, absolutely a free person. Above all you are so beautiful. You become such a nice person, that you establish your peace. Now, normal human beings, what do they do? They react, they react at anything. See there were telling Me, that “still there is time, people are still coming, it doesn’t matter, you can come late, don’t come just now, alright”. But I don’t know how to react. And that’s why when I came, they said, “Mother, still you look very relaxed”. I said “I never reacted to this”. So you don’t react. By not reaction, what happens? That the thoughts that come to you, come from the future and the past. And you are lost in those thoughts because they are jumping on the cusps of these thoughts. When the Kundalini rises, the thoughts are like this. She elongates those thoughts and a space is created which we can call it as pause or [Hindi word…. unclear] in that state you become absolutely peaceful, you don’t think anymore. We call it thoughtless awareness, that Jung has described. That means you watch anything just as a witness, you see everything as a witness.

See there is a very nice carpet here, I am seeing it. Now supposing it belonged to Me, if I was normal I would have said “Oh my God I don’t know how are they going to keep it”. In case this belongs to somebody else I would appreciate it, and I’ll say, “I must buy this, how much will it cost, I hope it is insured” and all kinds of things like that. But if I am a realized person, then I just watch it, without thinking, and the joy that the artist has put into this carpet, enables you to enjoy, enjoy without reaction, and this state which we call it [Hindi word – unclear] where a person becomes absolutely one with himself, complete. And when he looks at anything, he doesn’t react, he sees, he becomes the witness. You become just the witness of the whole thing. Your memory improves, your ideas about creation, anything. I mean you become an extremely, extremely I should say creative person and you don’t develop the pride, you don’t develop falsehood, but you just enjoy creating something. Human being is the most useful thing and the most beautiful thing the Divine has created, but we don’t know what we are, that why always they said “know thyself, know yourself”. Unless and until you know yourself, how can you say “I hate myself or I do, I do that”. Actually the beauty lies within you, and is to be expressed through these Divine vibrations.

Now the health improves no doubt, so many have improved their health. But I’ve seen in London, in the beginning, so many boys were taking drugs gave it up overnight. I never say don’t give up, I don’t say “don’t”, if you say don’t then the half of them will run away. Let them be, let them get their realization. Then automatically the whole thing drops out and you shoot out, out of that and you become the real personality. Thus you know the reality because you are not any more contaminated by your ego or your super-ego, these thoughts come to you from your ego or super-ego, meaning your conditioning, you are [unclear: not or no more] burdened. You are absolutely free and you see everything in it’s real position. This kind of thing happening was already destined, has been already prophesized, that it is going to happen in those days and so if. So this is how we are going to become ourselves and we will know what we are, and what we are capable of. Our capabilities are fathomless but unless and until we are connected how can we act? For example this instrument, if it is not connected to the mains it is useless, in the same way you are to be connected to the mains is very important, for that you don’t have to do anything, it just works spontaneously within you, and you get your Self-realization without any doubt. Actually I must have given thousands of lectures all over the world, and there’s no end to it. Now I would like you people to ask Me some questions which I would like to answer, if you have any.

[Announcer]: Is there any questions, you can raise a hand if …
[Audience]: What is the purpose of having the photograph?

Shri Mataji: The thing is, if you can do without the photograph, nothing like it, but you need something to support and that’s why people use the photograph. If you don’t need it, it’s alright, but you will find you will need it. Alright?

[Question]: How do you awaken the Kundalini?
Shri Mataji: That’s My job, I will do it, alright? It is very simple, how does the Mother Earth sprouts the seed, how does She do it? It is innately built in Her, that power, isn’t it? What else?

[Question]: What is the relationships between the Paramatma and the Kundalini apparatus?
Shri Mataji: Alright, very good question. Paramatma is the God Almightly, alright? And His power is the Adi Shakti, is the power that has done all the creation, everything. While Paramatma is the one who is just a spectator of the whole thing, [unclear] they call it, while Adi Shakti is the one who does all the creation and everything. Now Paramatma is in your heart reflected as Spirit and Kundalini is reflected in your triangular bone as Adi Shakti. Adi Shakti’s reflection is the Kundalini. Oh, you’ll get absolute knowledge, everything.

[Question]: What should come first, Kundalini awakening or dissolving the jealousy and …?
Shri Mataji: No, no, Kundalini awakening is the one by which all these things happen. Automatically.

[Question]: Then, is it not first necessary to work on the negative tendencies and then give Kundalini awakening?
Shri Mataji: There’s no need. In Sahaja Yoga there is no need to work it out. The negative forces themselves run away 99%. In one person maybe it still sticks, but otherwise in 99% they all run away, with the light of the Kundalini, with the enlightenment of the Spirit, on your attention.

[Question] So I can continue with my [unclear] as long as I’ve awakened my Kundalini?
Shri Mataji: Yea, of course, no doubt, you only, on the contrary you become multi-dimensional personality.

[Question]: [question unclear]
Shri Mataji: You try, you can’t do it, if you are doing something wrong, you can’t do it after Kundalini awakening. Because you see what is destructive for you and what is constructive for you, so you don’t do it, you just don’t do it. I’ve told you just now, that overnight people gave up drugs. I did not tell them it’s the light, if you are sitting in the darkness you don’t know where are you? But if there’s light, you know everything is like that. It’s enlightenment I’m talking about.

[Question]: What is the first step to not desire?
Shri Mataji: Just to desire that you should get your Self-realization. You must have a strong desire. Yes Madam?

[Question]: By practicing this can I control my heart rate?
Shri Mataji: Everything, everything, it is controlled, you don’t have to do.

[Question]: And because of practicing Christian religion she feels she is going to Hell [Shri Mataji interjects: Correct], and that by practicing this it will be the same thing?
Shri Mataji: Now I was also born in a Christian religion and I know that how Christianity was just opposite of Christ. But just a minute. But after realization you are enlightened, and you see the beauty of every religion and the essence of every religion and then you also understand that you are capable yourself of following a spiritual path without any difficulties. Nothing destructive, nothing wrong, nothing manipulated, it’s your own. You become your own master.

[Question]: Have you ever met Paramhamsa Yogodanda and are you familiar with his teaching?
Shri Mataji: Those who I’ve met and those I have nothing to say.

[Question]: Can you use leave your body at will and travel beyond?
Shri Mataji: I don’t want to do that. What’s the use? It’s done through some spirits I think. Yes Madam? [Question unclear]: She has a desire, she has love but so many forces pull you away from that?

[Question]: She has a desire, she has love, but so many forces pull you away from that?
Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s correct. But just now, just now I promise you, that you will get your realization and then you’ll see, all these forces will drop out, alright?

Shri Mataji: Yes this means left side is caught up, whosoever [unclear: has or is] written this letter, that means left side is not alright, but it can be put right.

[Question]: You said this is a special time and could you talk a little more about that?
Shri Mataji: It is called as Kali Yuga and also this is the time of Last Judgment and at this time one has to be very careful because you are going to be judged, whether you take to truth or not, if you are still with false-hood, you are judged. You will judge yourself, nobody needs to judge you, [unclear: by or but] so many things will happen that you will realize there is something wrong.

[Question]: And what was the advice that Matahama Ghandi gave [to] you as a young woman?
Shri Mataji: [unclear: I didn’t have to give him any advice, guess She meant He didn’t give Me any advice. I had to give him advice but he did say “let our country be free, then you can start your Sahaja Yoga program, not before that”. That was his idea, that we are not yet free to propagate anything.

[Question]: How often should we do it?
Shri Mataji: Very good question. You don’t have to, there’s no number of times you have to do it. Once it is enlightened, it is enlightened But we have problems still there, so the Kundalini goes back to correct it sometimes. So we have here a proper follow-up they call it and after that we have centers where you can go. Also nobody will charge any money and they’ll find out what’s wrong with you, and they’ll try to tell you what is to be done. It happens with very few. But you will enjoy going to the center, because it’s all enjoyment there, free of charge.

[Question]: Does that mean that we should not do this very often at home ourselves?
Shri Mataji: They will tell you, you’ll have to meditate, that they will tell how to meditate, and if you follow it for 10-15 minutes at the most and it works out and you can grow. Because after all it’s first germination of the seed, of the seed there, but it has to grow. And some people grow so fast, I’m surprised whereas sometimes that at the very first meeting only they become very great people.

[Question]: Does the Kundalini ever become dormant?
Shri Mataji: No, it does not, but if you try not to pay attention to its proper alignment or proper development then it may become static at that point. But it never goes back.

[Audience]: For many years I’ve have been trying to reach You and I’m very blessed to see You here.
Shri Mataji: I see.

[Question]: Once we have got it, what can we do to bring more peace to our community?
Shri Mataji: You can, you can do it. If you desire so, you can really help you can really help them , you can really help them, that is what is happening now as you see these people say that Sahaja Yoga is working in 86 countries. What happened that one person got his realization, he went to his country and he changed so many people. In a far-fetched country like Benin, imagine Benin, where they have mostly Muslims, there are 7,000 Sahaja yogis. In Turkey we have 3,000 and in so many places we have but the maximum in Benin where there are mostly people who are Muslims. And I was surprised and asked them why did you become Muslins? So they said, because the French were here and we didn’t like the way they were are immoral so we thought their religion is no good, so we become Muslims. But now they are very great Sahaja yogis, very, very great Sahaja yogis.

So many Muslim countries have become Sahaja Yogis all over the world. We have, in Russia we have thousands and thousands and thousands and Russians are very deep people. I tell you, this so called freedom we have we have gone helter-skelter, while the Russians had no freedom. They could not even talk about God, they did not read anything about Divine and they developed I think out of that tyranny of communism, developed within themselves a very, very deep understanding and they are there, you will be amazed that Sahaja Yoga is now practiced in so many countries where I never even thought I would reach, but Sahaja Yogis have gone and done the job.

[Question]: What is your first recollection in your childhood of being awake, how old where you?
Shri Mataji: Now can I ask you one question, what was your first understanding that you were a human being? It is like that, as you were aware you being a human being, I was aware.

[Audience]: you were born in a Christian family so what is your faith, what is your religion, what is your God?
Shri Mataji: I have no religion, I have all the religions. Born in any family should not sort of stop your vision. You can see through everything if you have the light. There’s another one. Now I must say here there are so many people who are asking questions, normally I don’t find that experience, doesn’t matter. But how many will become good Sahaja Yogis is to be seen out of you. It’s alright to ask questions after questions but that is of no value unless and until you really become what I’m saying – a Sahaja yogi, a real personality that is absolutely spiritual. So we have to see that, that is the challenge for all of you, let’s see how many? I must say Los Angeles has been really a lost Angeles so far for Me, but Sahaja yogis always felt that I can do very well here, so I came. Now this is the fifth question you are asking Madam, will you please take your Self-realization and then ask Me, alright? You see, once you have asked a question, you shouldn’t ask another question, please. Because all of them are waiting for their Self-realization, they are all waiting for their Self-realization. Only few who want to ask question. One is alright, but not all the time going on asking question. What is there, unless and until you are a journalist, whatever?

[Moderator]: She’s asking, can we start?
Shri Mataji: Yes she should.
Can you now write your questions and let Me know and I’ll answer them after you get your realization. Then you won’t have any questions I know. Again I said it’s the becoming, you have to become, it is not just talking. Now forget your questions for the time being, better get your Realization, alright?

Now one thing is that you have to just take out your shoes or chapals whatever it is. Because this mother earth is a great help. She sucks in all our problems. Put both the feet apart from each other. You will know everything about Sahaja Yoga, why I said to put your feet apart from each other, everything. You will know very clearly but they should touch the Mother earth. You have to be just comfortable and all of you should be seated. Before I start I have to request that those who want their realization only I can give them. It cannot be forced, because Kundalini is the pure Desire. It’s the pure Desire, not impure desire as we have. Whatever desire we have, we have today one and then we want to have something else. That’s the principle of economics. But this is pure Desire, and for this pure Desire you should be determined to get it. It’s your own character, your own understanding, only will work it out.

Now I would request you all to sit comfortably with both feet like this, very comfortably and put both your hands towards Me like that. Now what I find is some of you feel guilty. It’s a nonsense, if you feel guilty then this center here catches on the left-hand side and the Kundalini doesn’t move, so if you have done anything wrong, I agree, it’s finished. That is the past. You don’t have to worry about that. At this moment please you have to know that you are not guilty at all for anything. So please forgive yourself, please forgive yourself. Now the second thing is that we have to forgive also others, now some people say ‘it’s difficult to forgive, Mother’. I mean, what do you do? Whether you forgive or you don’t forgive, you don’t do anything, what do you do? Nothing, but by not forgiving you torture yourself. So best thing is to forgive all of them, forgive everybody who has harmed you, who has troubled you, who has made you unhappy, has hurt. Forgive, don’t also think about them, it is also useless. By forgiving you don’t know what will happen. Absolutely your feel peaceful with yourself. Just forgive everyone. This nobleness you should accept today, that you forgive everyone, just forgive. Now please put your hands towards Me, like this, comfortable, comfortable.

Now you can put your right hand towards Me and feel with the left hand on top of your fontanel bone area, little higher. If there is a cool or a hot breeze-like vibrations are coming out of your own head, on your palm, you can feel it. You move your hand up and down and see for yourself, if you are feeling. Please remove your caps if you have, please, it is better to remove. Now please see. You must have respect for yourself, should not denounce yourself and you should also forgive everyone, that’s very important.

Now, put the left hand towards Me and put the right hand on top of your fontanel bone area and bend your head. Just bend your head, and see for yourself, if there’s a cool or hot breeze coming out of your own fontanel bone area. This is the actualization of the baptism you may call it. Once more, put your right hand towards Me and see with your left hand if there is a cool or a hot breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. Please keep your head bending. Now if it is hot it means that you have not forgiven yourself or you have not forgiven others. So again please forgive, please forgive yourself and forgive others. That it is a very great asset and help.

Now see for yourself if there’s a cool or a hot breeze coming on your fingertips or on your palms.

Please forgive, forgive, forgive yourself and forgive others, very important, because this center here where the crossing of the optical chiasma, will get obstructed if you have not forgiven. So please forgive, because it is a myth, it is a myth not to forgive, so please forgive. Hmmm, I would say all those who have felt the cool breeze in their hands or hot breeze on their fingertips or on their palm or out of their fontanel bone area, hot or cold breeze, please raise your hands. Mostly all of you have got it, mostly. May God Bless you, May God Bless you, May God bless you all. In such a short time you have got it. That means really we have got very wonderful people this time from Los Angeles, those who are truly seekers, who are real seekers. May God Bless you for that. Now you must respect your realization and I hope you’ll grow into it. Try to grow and become masters, hardly you will take even one month, maybe to become the masters, why not do it? Alright?

May God Bless you.

H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi