Two powers within Rome (Italy)

From 30:27sec Shri Mataji speaks Shri Mataji:  I bow to all the seekers of truth. As I said yesterday the seekers of truth are a special category of people in the evolutionary process of human beings. Those who are seeking reality see clearly that whatever we have known so far is not the reality, but whatever is unknown is not reality also. Human beings have been made especially with great care, delicately to ascent to the highest state of the spirit and there are many things which are kept away absolutely from their awareness just to keep them peaceful.  For example, we do not know about our subconscious and about collective subconscious, also we do not know about Supra conscious area and the collective Supra conscious. They are manifested within us by two powers, as you see – one the power of Desire on the left hand side and one by the power of action on the right hand side.  The left hand side, which caters to our subconscious, manifests the emotions within us and all the conditioning that people talk about and beyond the subconscious lies the collective subconscious. On the right hand side of ours is manifested our futures, which is the Supra conscious mind and the right side channel what we call as the channel for action manifest the Supra conscious, beyond that lies the collective supra conscious, but the super consciousness is on the top of our head where we have to ascent, we are not Read More …

Achieve the Absolute Rome (Italy)

Public program, day 1, Rome, Italy, 20-05-1985 I bow to all seekers of Truth (Shri Mataji folds her hands and bow to the audience) First of all, we must know, what are we seeking. What is the Truth? The truth is very simple, that in our evolutionary process we have not yet completed our journey. We have become human beings, but we have to still get to a position which is absolute. A state where we’ll have joy, where we will be blissful and where we will become collectively conscious.When people are not satisfied with what they have, they start seeking the Truth and such people are of a special category. These are quite a lot in the modern times, while in the beginning of life there were very few who were seeking the Truth. In the beginning, men started seeking protection from Nature, and then he tried to find out possession, money, power and a state reached where he found that these things do not give you permanent satisfaction.We believe that a certain thing if we get, we will be very joyous and satisfied. Like somebody wants to have a car, then he is not satisfied. Then he wants to have a house, then he is not satisfied. Like that he is seeking about the pleasures of life, goes on and on and on, but he is never satisfied. Thus, the law of economics says that wants, in general, are never satiable in particular maybe but not in general. Read More …

La Grande Madre Che Conforta TV interview Rome (Italy)

La Grande Madre Che Conforta TV interview, Rome, Italy, 19-05-1985 [Interviewer speaks in Italian.] Translator of Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Sahaja means born with you. Saha is with and ja is born. It also means spontaneous. It’s a spontaneous happening of a living energy within you which gets awakened and unites you to the Divine. Now Sahaja Yoga is a happening as the epitome of the evolutionary process. We have become human beings but still we are not yet complete and absolute. We live in a relative world. This energy pierces through six centres, subtle centres, ultimately through the fontanelle bone area, and you receive your self-knowledge, your self-realisation, what we call the baptism is actualised. It is not an artificial baptism but actually you can feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of your head. Kundalini is the Mother, this power is the Holy Ghost within you which rises and gives you this final experience of the Spirit, which is very important, that everyone has to receive, every human being has to receive it. Translator: Is this kind of Yoga attainable by everybody, Shri Mataji? Shri Mataji: Of course, it is available to all the human beings, it has to be, because it is meant for human beings to rise to that level.  Translator: So, are there not in this kind of Yoga some special exercises, practices, or is it meant for young people, old people, or both of them? Shri Read More …

Interview RAI TV Rome (Italy)

Interview RAI TV, Rome, Italy, 19-05-1985 Interviewer: What is the Kundalini? Shri Mataji: The kundalini is the power of pure desire in the triangular bone. All our desires are impure, because when the desires are fulfilled, we are not satisfied. Only desire which is pure is this one. When it ascends, then we know that the desire was to be one, to be united with the Divine Power which is All-pervading. Interviewer: [Question in Italian] Shri Mataji: One must understand that you cannot pay for Divine work because it is a living work. Like the seed, when it sprouts, you don’t pay any money to the Mother Earth. You see, it is a living work of the Divine. You can’t pay for it. The first thing is you should not pay for anything. Anybody who takes money in the name of Divine or lives on that in the name of Divine is sinful. Interviewer: Why you don’t have practical exercises, physical and all these things? Shri Mataji: No, no practical exercise is needed. It’s a living process, again. It’s a living process of the living energy. And for living process you don’t do any exercise. It has to work spontaneously. Sahaja means spontaneous. Interviewer: If there are no exercises and there is nothing to do. How is the Kundalini awakened? And if people don’t meet you. How can they get the Kundalini awakened? Shri Mataji: They meet Me somehow, now for on the television now there will be so many. Read More …

Press Conference Rome (Italy)

Interview, Press Conference, Rome (Italy), 18 May 1985. I’m sorry, very sorry to be late but I was in tv interview there, very sorry.  I’ll ask all of you to sit down. [Shri Mataji speaks aside to Sahaja Yogis, also about offering refreshments to the journalists who have been waiting for quite a long time.] [Introduction in Italian until 07:38] Interviewer: What is the difference between Sahaja Yoga and the other kinds of yoga that we know in Europe? Shri Mataji: This Patanjali Yoga Shastra which was used about 78 000 years back was a system he had developed to prepare people for Self-realization. That was the time when children used to go to school in the forest and lead a very celibate life till the age of 25 years. So they were taught how to discipline themselves, how to cleanse their body under the guidance of a very evolved realized soul. But the physical exercises you do here is absolutely indiscriminate because it has no relevance to the body. It has to relate to different centers – subtle centers; wherever is the problem in the center that is the exercise one has to do and that was only known to those great masters. So they have got some sort of a half-baked ideas out of a little thing out the eight part, a little bit, called as Physical Yoga which has no relevance at all, anywhere. Then if you develop too much of your physical being you neglect your Read More …

Be serious about it Milan (Italy)

1985-0515 Public Program, Milan, Italy I bow to all the seekers of Truth. Already now you know about the subtle centres that are in this spinal cord, also in the brain. So, when the Kundalini rises from Its seat, from the triangular bone, and pierces through the fontanel bone area, which was the soft bone in your childhood, it again becomes soft. And then the Grace, which is a very subtle energy surrounding us, which is all-pervading, starts falling down, the Bliss.  Kundalini is the reflection of the Holy Ghost. Holy Ghost is the power of God. We can call It the primordial Mother. We have the Trinity, the divine Trinity, but we do not talk about the Mother. You have Father, the God; then you have Son, the God, and the Holy Ghost. How can a father have a son without a mother? So, from the very beginning, it is an attack on the Mother. And that is why you know that it is not allowed for women to be the priests also. But in India, or in all of the scriptures, it is believed that it is the Primordial Mother who created this universe. That is the Holy Ghost is the Mother. It is not a dove but a Mother.  So this Primordial Mother, which is the power of God, resides as a reflection in the triangular bone, which Greeks accepted as Athena, as the Primordial Mother, Athena. So, this power rises within us and pierces through the Read More …

Energy of Pure Desire Milan (Italy)

Public Program, Milan, Italy 14-05-1985 I bow to all the seekers of Truth. But one has to know what is the Truth and what are we seeking. For this, one has to realize that these modern times are special times. When many people are born especially, to seek their Self, their Spirit. But this method of seeking has to come from understanding of ancient times. It cannot just start a new method, some sort of new fact that could be called as a seeking way. Like I went to a place called Pune in India, and there were some people suffering from all kinds of diseases: blood pressure, anginas, heart troubles, spondylitis and I was amazed at their suffering. So, they said that they have a guru whom they followed and he has given them some sort of odd thing called “shakti path”. I said this one I never heard before, where did you read this book, in what scriptures it is written? It has to be mentioned somewhere in the ancient scriptures as well. If your guru cannot even keep you in good health with such sufferings, such a guru! Because as a mother I feel that he should look after your health. So, it has to be based on the traditions of seeking, that what they had said about Self-realization is the experience of the Spirit. Now, this book that they were referring to was written only 60 or 70 years back, by somebody who talked of these Read More …

The Channels Rome (Italy)

1984-09-20 Second Public Program in Rome [An Italian speaker (Guido) gives an introduction in Italian before the arrival of Shri Mataji.] Thank you, thank you [Shri Mataji thanks for the flowers received]. Sit down. What has he said, so far what has he talked about? He talked about what? Yogi: He’s been talking principally about the Mother. [Shri Mataji laughs] I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday I talked to you about the different centres, subtle centres within us, and also when a person reaches a higher state of awareness what happens to him. At the human level, when we exist as normal human beings, there are three channels which work within us automatically. They are called as autonomous nervous systems, but if you ask them who is this “auto” the medical science cannot say who is that. They just say that this is autonomous, [it’s] a name given, but they do not explain. But whatever we achieve in our evolutionary process is expressed in our central nervous system, as I told you yesterday. Now if you ask a dog to go through a dirty lane he can just walk through, he has no problems. But if you ask a human being to pass through a dirty lane he cannot do it, because in his awareness he has developed a sense of dirt, filth, colour, so many things, music. But for an animal, it is Greek and Latin. In the same way, a person who is not a Read More …

Experience the Spirit on your central nervous system Rome (Italy)

Public Program Day 1 Teatro Aurora, Rome (Italy), 19 September 1984 I bow to all the seekers of truth. In life, we must be thinking about the reality that we have not known so far. We must have asked questions to ourselves, why we are on his earth? What is the purpose? And what is the truth is a very important thing we should try to find out. So far in the human awareness, whatever we know, is on our central nervous system. But we have not had the experience of the Spirit on our nervous system. We have heard in many scriptures, Indian, Chinese, Bible, that there is a Spirit that guides us. It is also said that you have to be the Spirit. And when Christ said that, “You have to be born again to be the Spirit”, Nicodemus asked him, ‘Do you mean to say, I should enter into the womb of my Mother?’ So Christ said, ‘No, whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, but whatever is born of the Holy Ghost, of the Holy Spirit is the Spirit.’ That means clearly that so far in human awareness we have not reached our purpose. But this is not only said by Christ. Thousands of years back, in India, so many people have been telling that you must get your ‘Self Realisation’. Actually the people were so much against Christ, that they did not allow Him to live long to explain much. And those who started Read More …

When we are seeking the truth, we have to know also what is the truth Milan (Italy)

Public Programme, Milan, 17 September 1984. I bow to all the seekers of truth. It gives Me tremendous pleasure to be among the people of Milan, which means the middle, the middle path. The people who are in the middle path are the best suited for their ascent because those who go to extremes go away from reality. But those who lead a moderate life, a balanced life, a sensible life are very well suited for their ascent. Now when we are seeking the truth, we have to know also what is the truth. The truth is that we are the Spirit. We are not this body, this physical being, this mental being, but we are the Spirit, the spiritual being. In the process of our evolutionary ascent we have come to this stage where we are called as human beings. But we have not found yet our absolute. We live in a very relative world. That is why we are so restless, there are problems of wars, there are problems of disintegration. Now whatever I’m going to tell you is the knowledge of the roots. We know the tree but not the roots. Italy is a country of traditions. In the same way India is a country of tradition but traditions of spirituality. There have been people seeking in that country since ages, and they have been able to find out something so great about ourselves. But there is no doubt there are many fake people who have come Read More …

Shri Ekadasha Rudra Puja: Rudra is the destructive power of Shiva Como (Italy)

Shri Ekadasha Rudra Puja. Faggeto Lario, Como (Italy), 16 September 1984. Today, we are doing a special type of puja which is performed in the glory of Ekadasha Rudra. Rudra is the destructive power of Shiva, of the Spirit. Now one power, which is His nature, is forgiveness. He forgives, because we are human beings, we commit mistakes, we do wrong things, we get tempted, our attention is disturbed – so he forgives us. He also forgives us when we spoil our chastity, we do immoral things, we do thieving, and we do things that are against God, talk against Him. He also forgives our superficialities, jealousies, our lust, our anger.  Also He forgives our attachments, petty jealousies, vanities and also possessiveness. He forgives our egoistical behaviour and also our subordination to wrong things. But every action has a reaction, and when He forgives, He thinks that He has given you a big grace-mark, and that reaction builds up within Him as a wrath, against those who are forgiven, [who] try to do greater mistakes. Especially, after Realisation, because such a big blessing there is of the Realisation – you’ve got the light and, in the light, if you are holding onto a snake then His wrath goes up because he sees how stupid you have been. [Italian translator is confused. Shri Mataji re-iterates] What I am saying is that after Realisation, especially, He is much more sensitive that, people who are forgiven and have been given such a big Read More …

Shri Ganesha Puja: The Birthday of Shri Ganesha Tivoli (Italy)

Shri Ganesha puja. Tivoli (Italy) 11th September 1983. Today we are celebrating the Birthday of Shri Ganesha, because it is a very important thing for all of us that we should celebrate His Birthday; and yesterday we did the Havana. But yesterday we had many new people so I could not talk to you very clearly about Shri Ganesha’s deeper manifestations. You know that He resides within us.[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi]Now we have a very great asset within us that we know about Shri Ganesha, and that we can excite His powers.Shri Mataji [to an Italian Yogini]: Please translate.To manifest Shri Ganesha, we have to do certain amount of Tapasya – penance. First we have to say, when we sit for meditation, that: “I am going to be worthy of Your appreciation. Make me humble, so that I am appreciated by You, and my only desire is to please You.” Then you sit down in complete preparedness, meditating over your Mooladhara, putting your attention to it with absolute purity. Now you have my photograph before you and you tell the photograph that, “Mother, You are Shri Ganesha. You give me wisdom and discretion”. So, attention at the Mooladhara chakra, which is actually below the sacrum bone. You put your right hand towards the photograph and left hand on the Mother Earth. Now this wilI tell you that your mind, or your brain which is full of confusion, which has no discretion, which is complicated, which does the same mistakes Read More …

Seekers of Joy Auditorium RAI del Foro Italico, Rome (Italy)

Third Public Program Day 3, “Seekers of Joy”. Rome (Italy), 10 September 1983. I bow to all the seekers of joy. I’ve had many, many questions from the last lecture. And gradually in my own lecture you will find, I have tried to answer some of them. But only possible to divert all my today’s lecture on those, because I want to tell you about the spirit. It seems there is someone who is a learned man about Indian philosophy and I was happy to know that he has also studied that. Because all that is not so known to the western world, I didn’t want to bring it in. [Aside: Will you please sit down in your place and don’t disturb everyone – this gentleman I don’t know why he wants to disturb. Why don’t you go? Yesterday he was misbehaving also for nothing at all.] This gentleman has asked a question about spandakarika – is a word which is used for Kundalini which creates the spanda. Spanda is the pulsation. Whether this is the same? Yes, it is absolutely the same, but it is not any ism, like what you called as shaibaism. In the sixth century we had a very great saint in India or you can call him a incarnation or a great master, called Adi Shankaracharya – who has very clearly said that Kundalini has to be awakened Sahaja. He wrote many treaties like Viveka Churamani and all those. And then he got fed-up with Read More …

Talk To New People Tivoli (Italy)

Talk to new people, Tivoli, Italy, 1983-09-10 We go to the essence of things to the roots. Now if there is a disease on the knees, you cannot cross the knee They have to go to the roots to find out how the disease is showing. So we have to go to the roots now because we have to understand that we are much more subtler than what we know about ourselves. So we go to the subtler side of …Not only we are bothered about the outside things that we see but we have to know about the inside of us. What causes all the outcome. So when we are…as the person who comes with the for us to give us Salvation we go to the essence to find out to who He is. It is said in the Bible that he is the Alpha and the Omega, means He is the first and the last.But to explain it there is nothing in the Bible. But we have other books, other scriptures UNCLEAR where He is described, and he is called as Maha Vishnu in one of the books and the essence of Him is innocence. All to emit innocence. But before he was born.. UNCLEAR .So  Primordial mother first to give image of Christ which was to come on this earth and this is called as Shri Ganesha in the scriptures. There is a very interesting story as to how Shri Ganesha was created by the Primordial mother. Read More …

Talk about Christ Sala Borromini, Biblioteca Vallicelliana, Rome (Italy)

Second Public Program, Day 2, “Talk about Christ”. Rome (Italy), 9 September 1983. I bow to all the seekers of reality. To know the reality is only possible if you’re connected with your spirit. Without that, whatever you know is all on human level. Now, somebody asked Me a question, that if you just say, “’Hail Mary’ or if you say Lord’s Prayer, then will it not also allow the plants to grow?” Now it is our experience that it did not do anything by saying, “Hail Mary” or Lord’s Prayer, so far. By chance, something has happened, but it was not definite, that it will happen, when you said all these things. It is very simple to understand, that without the connection with the Divine, how can we communicate? For example, if this instrument is made, it also has got with it, the wire, to connect itself to the mains. So, if you do not connect this instrument to the mains, it doesn’t work, the instrument is artificial. So when you say “Hail Mary” or you say Lord’s Prayer, you are telephoning to God without the connection within. This has given two kinds of reactions to people. First of all, to say that there must be something wrong with us. So God did not listen to us or to say that there is no God and this is all not true. It is today, at this time, the whole world is on the brink of giving up the faith Read More …

Whatever is the truth is to be known through the light of your Spirit Sala Borromini, Biblioteca Vallicelliana, Rome (Italy)

Public Program Day 1. Rome (Italy), 8 September 1983. I bow to all the seekers of truth. Today is a great auspicious day where I’m here on the birthday of Mother Mary, but today I am going to talk to you about reality and about truth. Whatever is the truth is to be known through the light of your Spirit. You can see in this world, in these modern times, we have developed so many sorts of things which proclaim that they know the truth. There are institutions who say that they are the ones who are agencies of truth, but we must understand that truth is something that has to be known through your consciousness. You must know it through your central nervous system. When we evolve to be a human being whatever we could know through our central nervous system is the real truth, and once you know the truth, you reach the source of joy that is your Spirit. Now, to know the truth, people have gone to various type of enterprises, and also to feel joy they have tried all kind of alternatives which now so many realize was not alright because they have landed now in a very precarious position; any day it might explode to ruin this world. For example, first man thought that if he was a powerful country, or a powerful human being he can overpower others and can grab them and by that can enjoy the power, but somehow at present Read More …

The Heart and Hamsa Centers Rome (Italy)

Public Program Day 3. Rome (Italy), 29 April 1982. All the seekers of truth, I bow.I have told you before during last two days, about the different energies that run within us and also the subtle centers who manifest with those centers outside, except for two. Today I will tell you about the remaining two centers and about what to do after realization. As you know, today is the last day and tomorrow I have to leave and next time I’m sure I’ll come for a week to meet you all again. Now the centre that is placed is the center of the heart is called as the heart center, or in Sanskrit language is called as anahat chakra, anahat chakra. This is the center, very important, because till the age of twelve years the sternum bone which is placed in front of it, produces a kind of sense which are called as antibodies, and then these antibodies travel all around the body and protect us from any invasion from outside. This is the center that informs the antibodies about the invasion and how to fight it. This center is bestowed upon the deity of the ‘Mother of the World’. She’s the Mother of all the seekers and of all the saints and prophets and She protects all the seekers who are mislead or carried away by fake gurus and false gurus. She also protects the seekers when they are trying to achieve their realization and some negative forces try Read More …

The aspect of the deities on the chakras Rome (Italy)

2nd Public Program April 28th 1982 Rome, Italy I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday I gave you an introduction to the spontaneous happening of Self-realisation through Sahaja yoga. There is no other method than the spontaneous and the living process. As all the seeds sprout the same way, in the same manner, your awakening also takes the same way. Today, especially as asked by someone, I would like to tell you about the aspect of the deities on these centres. It’s written in the Bible that “thou shall not recreate anything or reproduce anything that is created by the Mother Earth or the sky and worship it.” But the first part is, people, pay more attention to the second part where it says “whatever is created by Mother Earth and the sky”. Now, what is created by the sky and what is created by Mother Earth? The one that one can worship. You’ll be amazed that this Mother Earth understands much more than we know. And this Mother Earth produces through her being such stones or such images which have a coefficient which emits vibrations. For example, in England, we have a place called Stonehenge. For a normal person, it is something mysterious but it is produced by the Mother Earth and it is placed in three and a half coils exactly. But some people who did not understand the meaning of it took up the stones and placed them on top of other stones and there Read More …

Liver, Mantras Rome (Italy)

Public Program Day 1. Rome (Italy), 28 April 1982. YOGINI: ( says some words in Italian, she translates the whole speech ) Shri Mataji: Now to cure this liver we have to take lots of carbon-hydrates. And best is white sugar, if it is vibrated. Now doctors always say that, “Don’t take sugar”. You cannot have a general treatment like that for everyone, because everybody is different and different problems. Those people who have liver-trouble must take sugar which is vibrated. When this sugar goes into the blood-stream, then it puts the, it puts the [unclear; H2O.] of the water, of the blood into proper shape. The [H2O?], you see in the hydrogen and oxygen, it’s like this, you see, the Oxygen is in the center, say, and these hydrogen’s, two hydrogen’s on the sides, like this, you see. But when it is imbalanced then what happens, this goes up and this comes down and it cannot receive the heat. But when you get that and this goes down and these two come up, when you take the vibrated thing. So, you can receive the heat. So that when you take this vibrated sugar, when you take this vibrated sugar, your liver is cured. Normally, liver-patients are always skinny and they are very irritable, they could be very hot-tempered. And they could be very dry in temperament. They may not even have any, any emotional feelings left in them. Ah, I had a dentist as a – who came to Read More …

Singing With Shri Mataji Vitthala Temple (India)

Singing With Shri Mataji 1st two bhajans meaning by Shri Mataji Silence! It is a very beautiful song. It says that (not clear) borrowed treasure. They cannot give you the (unclear) of God. They cannot give you the sign of God. They are just borrowed treasure, about the people who make money out of God. So one has to get to God, God himself has to come to give us the sign of God. The beautiful one. Eka Jananardhani. The Janardhan as you know is Shri Krishna’s name. He is the one who gives us the sign of God. He is the one who gives us the sweetness of God. He is the one who gives the experience. The beautiful song and the first one was that we are spending our time in our worldly things, in our worldly affairs, in our worldly relationships and in our worldly family. Now I am fed up of this and now I just want to enjoy that is really the truth. Now whatever is sweet now has become absolutely bitter for me and whatever was bitter has become sweet for me. It’s all about the saints what happens. God Bless You. 3rd Bhajan meaning by Shri Mataji This is a very sweet couplet by the village women, the milkmaids to the mother of Shri Krishna that he is such a horrible, naughty fellow ( all laugh) that you better look after him that he is stealing all our milk and our butter and Read More …