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Public Program (incomplete) Rome (Italy)
Public Program, Rome, Italy, 20-04-1992 I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot conceptualise it. Nor can we understand at this human awareness. You have to be born again. You have to become the Spirit. In your evolutionary process this is the last stage we have to achieve that you become the Spirit. Many people have been talking about it. But nobody has paid attention to it. Once you become the Spirit you’ll be amazed how you are transformed. Automatically. You may follow any religion but it is outside. Because whether you are Hindu, Muslim, Christian you can commit any sin. That’s why you have to be the Spirit. Today I’m going to describe you the quality of the Spirit. First of all you must have been surprised to see how joyously she was singing. Because Spirit is the source of joy. We have already been told that we have to suffer. Why should we suffer? When Christ has suffered for us already. Can we suffer more than He has suffered? There is no need to suffer at all. Only thing is that we are in ignorance. In darkness. And that is why we accept whatever people tell us. Which father would like you to suffer? No sufferings are needed. This power is within you, is your own. So the truth is that you are the Spirit. You are not this body, this mind. Read More …
Arrival and Talk to Sahaja Yogis Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Magliano Sabina Ashram, Magliano Sabina, Rome (Italy)
Arrival and advice to Sahaja Yogis in Rome Ashram [Sahaja Yogis: Bolo Adi Shaki Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi ki Jai, ki Jai, ki jai] Shri Mataji: Ah. All right. All right. Sit down. Sit down. All the children sit down. Here. All right. All right.. It’s such a surprise. [addressing the children] Are you happy? Children: Yes. Shri Mataji: It’s such a surprise to see you. So many people coming from the outside room. Such a surprise and such joy. Now what I find, all over the world, that the Sahaj Yogis are getting very responsible. Very responsible and trying to plan out, how to increase the [unclear/ numbers]and also how to increase the quality, and the improvement is tremendous. So what we have to remember that, it is not only if we have regard and respect for Mataji, also it is not sufficient that we are surrendered absolutely. Also that you now have identified Me well, still is not sufficient. You see as you know, there are many people in other religions also, they all are surrendered, say to Christ. They respect Christ and accept that He was the son of God. But they haven’t achieved much. For your ascent, because you are realised souls, you have to know that your own power must increase. That means you have to trust yourself fully and work it out. Because only through you, people are going to come to Sahaj Yoga. When they see you only, they will think there Read More …
Bhajans and Talk about Children and Indian School (Evening) Ashram of Pichini, Rome (Italy)
Transcript, Talk About Children and Indian School, 1991-02-14 or 1986-05-04 [note for 1986-05-04 date – I would suggest that the date of the talk would be later than that attributed to it as the children are already in India when Shri Mataji is speaking, and I think they first went to India a little later than this] I wanted to tell you about our schools in India and what is our idea is about those schools. It is better to understand why we took this measure. It was felt by so many Sahaja Yogis that in the West there is no proper atmosphere for children and they should go to India. And in the beginning, I must say, in the beginning when the children came they were very funny and very troublesome to the teachers. They didn’t have proper respect; they didn’t have proper understanding and very bad manners also. Of course, Guido had worked very hard on them but as soon as they went to India they found that the teachers were rather very mild with them and kind to them, so they started really torturing the teachers. So one month they were so fed up they wanted to give up. Now you have to talk to your children and tell them that, ‘…your work is much more, you are not going to waste your life, you are sahaja yogis, you are born for a special cause, as our life was wasted, because we didn’t have proper guidance, we Read More …
Bhajans and Talk About Divine Love Ashram of Pichini, Rome (Italy)
“About Divine Love”. Rome ashram (Pichini) (Italy), 22 February 1991. You are singing so beautifully. It seems your heart has opened after this Puja very much and you’re singing like small children now. So sort of, all the conditionings we have had, all the ego also there, it seems now you have become very pure all these problems have gone away and you are enjoying yourselves. This is the best way, when we love ourselves, we know ourselves we become love. Because of so many pressures on us and so many norms we’ve got, which are artificial, and we think only if outside we are alright it’s alright; but truth flowing from within is so joyous. You feel your capacity to love itself is so joyous, and capacity to give is also so joyous. So the Shiva Puja meant that you become love and feel the joy of love. You see when you love someone, if you love your child, you’re not bothered as to how it looks or how it appears, you just love. And if you try to be attentive to somebody because his appearance is good or he’s superficially good, or his manners are good, after some time you’ll be deceiving yourself. But if you’re inner being is beautiful then you will be happy with yourself first of all; because the source of joy is from within yourself. You do not get it from others.So to cleanse yourself and to be open is the best way to Read More …
Evening Program Ashram of Pichini, Rome (Italy)
Evening was in Pichini’s Rome ashram, just a few months before moving to the new ashram in Magliano Sabina in 1990
Mother’s Day Celebration, Short talk on creativity and Shri Mataji playing harmonium Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Rome (Italy)
1990-05-10 Mother’s day at Nirmala House: Creativity (21.59) Today is mother’s day and I think this country has tremendous respect for mothers and mothers are also very loving in this country. It is very fortunate to be here on such a day, as Mother’s Day. Today we went out to see how Italy has become so creative and the mother earth gives you the creativity. She gives you. You learn from her how beautiful things she has produced and you try to reproduce it. But if you are not aware of the beauty, it is such a pure thing around you, you cannot be a good artist. Then you take to vulgar things. Things which are very cheapish, which have no value. But people who have the feeling of oneness with the mother earth try to make things to express their joy, that they are feeling from the beauty she has created. In the same way, you are also so exuberant with love and affection. I haven’t done much for you, I don’t think so. You may think so. I don’t know. But only thing that really binds us is our love. Together. And this love is not blind love. So this love is the truth. This love is not only the truth, but is the knowledge. If you love somebody you know everything about the person. It is so deep and you know another person through your kundalini. It is so subtle that you get knowledge about another person. Read More …
Public Program Rome (Italy)
1990-0507 Public Program, Rome, Italy Please be seated. I bow to all the seekers of Truth. At a very outset we have to understand that Truth is what it is. We cannot organize it or imagine about it. But we have to unclear(treat) and knowing about your central nervous system. You can see clearly that I am very unclear() see with your eyes. but for an animal, he, what his understands is very limited quietly a human being has much greater sensitivity. To smell, taste, color everything. At human level we understand many things much more than animals but because of the evolutionary process. And this evolutionary process is a living process. It is not a process which is just a thought of imagined of but it is a living process. In the same way if we have to ascend, if we have to become a higher being, if we have to know the Truth, then this evolutionary process should give us that special status. At human level you cannot feel the Truth. People believe that this is the Truth, that is the Truth. Then there should be no fight, there should be no quarrel if its Absolute Truth. But like blind people holding an elephant is climbing differently people who believe that this is the Truth are doing the same thing. If this is the Truth, then universally everybody must accept it. And that is the reason we find that people are quarreling about things which is falsehood. So Read More …
The Myth of Leadership Rome (Italy)
“The Myth Of Leadership” May 9, 1988 Now this one is a praise of Mahalakshmi tattwa, Mahalakshmi principle. And as you know that, Lakshmi principle is the power of Shri Vishnu, which first establishes within us when we start paying attention to dharmic material life, dharmic financial life and dharmic family life. After that, seeking starts, seeking into higher realms: there it is manifested by the Mahalakshmi principle within us. That’s why in affluent countries people start seeking; they may go wrong, that’s different. In a person this exists, but the manifestation starts when you are completely satisfied with your material side, not with Sahaj Yog. In Sahaj Yoga it manifests and acts. So the central path of Mahalakshmi starts opening up, so rises above your nabhi chakra, above, and goes up to your Sahasrara and pierces through it. In the Sahasrara also it is the Vishnu tattwa [that] becomes the Viraata — it’s only one principle. It manifests itself in the Sahasrara and you become aware of collective consciousness, you become knowledgeable and you know the truth. It’s through the rising of the Kundalini. Now here, they are only praising the middle path, that’s the Mahalakshmi. So here you are singing to me, to the Mahalakshmi principle of mine. But when it reaches the Sahasrara, in Sahasrara it become the Mahamaya. In the Sahasrara, it gets the power of the Mahamaya, by which it has a thousand facets and it puts you into illusions to test you and to Read More …
Media Interview Rome (Italy)
1987-10-27 Media Interview, Italy Interviewer: Welcome, Shri Mataji. Good morning. Shri Mataji: Good morning. Interviewer: We have some questions for you. The first is that you have this modern Sahaja Yoga. What is your method and how it’s different from other yoga methods around the world? Shri Mataji: This method of awakening of the Kundalini existed in the ancient times, thousands of years back, in India. But only very few people got their realization. The reason was there were very few people ready to get their realization. So it’s so happened that there were three types of schools started in India. One was which was trying to understand God through the elements. So they started worshiping the elements and as a result of that the Vedas came into being. This is on the right side movement, we can say. The left hand side movement was the people became devoted to God, a devotion. They started singing praise of God, asking for his help. But when they had gone through these two different seeking then came to the center and where Patanjali Yoga, Patanjali Shastra existed. This what you call these days as “Hatha Yoga” – it’s just a wee bit of it. It’s Ashtanga, there are eight aspects to it. That also started long time back. And we had a system in India of Chaturvarna, means Chaturashramas – there are four ashrams. The first one was when you are a child up to 18 to 25 years of age; then Read More …
Revolution of Love Rome (Italy)
“Revolution of Love”, Public Program. Rome (Italy), 26 October 1987. I bow to all the seekers of love and joy. When we talk of love and joy we have to know that it comes from reality, from the truth. Anything that is false or unreal cannot give you eternal joy. But truth is what it is. You cannot say with your own intelligence, “This is truth and this is not truth.” Everybody when they see the truth has to be the same. The truth cannot be organized, it is what it is. We cannot prophesize or we cannot say, profess that this is truth. We cannot pay money for it. Now as it is, in the process of our evolution that we reveal truth after truth. It is at the epitome of evolution you have to receive the ultimate truth. In the human awareness we live on a relative plane. There is no way to know what is absolute truth. Within us lies the power to take us to that state of absolute. That is what it is, that you are the Spirit. You are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not this ego, you are not these thoughts. What you are is the Spirit. As I told you, to know the Spirit we have to go through the living process. As in our evolutionary state we have come to human state without thinking about it, without putting any effort. In the same way we have Read More …
Advice to Italian Yogis Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Rome (Italy)
Advice To Italian Yogis, Rome Ashram – Nirmala House, Rome (Italy) 20-04-1987 [Guido translates in between whilst Shri Mataji speaks] Shri Mataji: So I was talking to Germans and it took some time. Italy is doing very well in Europe and I think there’s a competition between Italy and Austria. Now, My complete desire is to come down here for the program some time, for a little more time than normal. But this year [unclear] I have been very, very busy and I’m also going to Australia, which I did not do last time. But this visit was so spontaneous and it was just organised, I think through your great desire and the Easter: both together has worked it out. It’s efficiency of the Italian Sahaja Yogis that they managed the whole thing in such a short time, otherwise it’s not an easy thing. People are already making plans in England for Guru Puja. So, it is the readiness to get divine help that works out everything. Also, Italians are very lucky to have a wise leader like Guido. [applause] But you must understand that the negativity can come any time and can harm. Now, the gentleman who took over from him was really affected by the negative force of Don. Don’s wife has been to sorcerers and things like that and, first time she touched My feet, My feet went into a funny cramp – I couldn’t understand. But then when I asked her, she had to confess and Read More …
Advice to Swiss Yogis Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Rome (Italy)
Advice to Swiss Yogis: Give Them That Hope that There is a Way Out for the People who are Searching, 20 April 1987 Shri Mataji: Some breakthrough has to be found out. What is it you think you can do there? Sahaja Yogi: It is maybe to contact the people and kind of search in this direction, and maybe we have no success with ninth but with the tenth we have success. Shri Mataji: You see the people are searching all right. The people are searching no doubt, and there must be so many searching there, I agree with you, but we have to find out the people who are searching, that’s the point of it. And I feel the Swiss is catching on the heart very badly. You all should also not catch on the heart. So what to do about the heart? We have to write or we have to announce; we have to change our hearts, you see. We are very cold-hearted [unclear] See, I think the climate is such and the whole thing is, you see, that there are two movements going on in that country. One is that people are trying to build up new styles of arrangements for conservation of money and for the accumulation of money and all that, because they have had a very bad name and they have been keeping lots of money of other countries and have been trying to ruin us by doing this kind of a thing. Like Read More …
Advice to Austrian Yogis Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Rome (Italy)
Advice to Austrians yogis, Nirmala House, 20 April 1987. Shri Mataji: And that’s why it’s working out that way. Because if it was one sided, it should not have worked that way. It’s both the sides are there. Come in, come in, come in, move forward. [inaudible as more people enter] How are the children? Are they all right? Yeah. Come on. Hamid is there or gone? Yogi: Hamid is on the way. He is here. Shri Mataji: He is here. I wanted to know about his experiment, what has happened? Yogi: I think he did not continue so far. Shri Mataji: Hamid, what has happened about your experiment? Of saving the… Come here, can’t hear you. Come in, come in, come in. Hamid: Mother, at this moment it’s impossible to go there. It’s also about one metre of snow. Shri Mataji: Yes, I saw, I saw it while coming, but now how is it otherwise? Hamid: I must go there. Shri Mataji: But in the beginning how was that, till now? Hamid: In the beginning it wasn’t so bad, and last summer I was the last time there and I gave Your pictures there at different places and vibrated with water and come back. And now after winter, I must go again there. Shri Mataji: But why don’t you take some water from here. Did you take from yesterday’s puja? Hamid: I did it. You have given me water from India… Shri Mataji: What I thought that now, when Read More …
Easter Puja: Materialism Ashram of Pichini, Rome (Italy)
Easter Puja, Ashram of Pichini, Rome (Italy), April 19th, 1987 Happy Easter to all of you! It’s a great day to come to Rome to celebrate the Resurrection of Christ. Now we have to do the Resurrection of Christianity, which is just moving in the opposite direction of Christ’s Resurrection. As you know that Christ was just Chaitanya, but He came in the body of Chaitanya. The whole body was made of Chaitanya, and He resurrected Himself to show to the world that you can resurrect yourself also, if you can fill your body with Chaitanya. There is always a struggle between the matter and the Spirit. In human life what we see that matter is all the time trying to take over the Spirit. And that is how we fail in our Resurrection. We fail in our Resurrection because we give way to matter. We have come from matter – easy go back to matter. But all the Christian nations have taken to the material development – identification with the matter, not the sublimation of the matter. Why we have gone wrong is because matter has become so important to us. We are so much identified with the matter, with our body, with all that is material for us. People are so much worried about the material things. What I find that the whole culture has become materialistic and they’re absolutely ashamed about it, but still they continue, the way it is so shameful and so degrading. It degrades human Read More …
The problem lies with human beings Rome (Italy)
Public program, day 2 – Rome Italy, 10-05-1986 I bow to all the seekers of truth. I am also very sorry today that because of some procession we got delayed and I hope you don’t mind. And that it was for peace. It’s very surprising that by agitating how can we have peace? If you stop one thing they start another thing. First they will have wars then at the peace time they will prepare for wars. They cannot sit down without quarrelling. The greater nations they become, the greater quarrelsome they become. This is the problem, no use agitating. Already they have had one shock and they have to have another one. But even if they stop atomic energy they’ll start something else. Problem is to be attacked basically. The problem lies with human beings not with atomic energy. Human beings do not know the power of love. They have only one way of relating to another – is some sort of a hatred. You must have heard of the relationship of love-hate, its funny staff, isn’t it? But human beings are not yet complete. That’s what I told you yesterday, they have to be complete to understand what they are up to. As I told you yesterday we have to be the whole, evolve to be the whole. Now how can we quarrel when we are at the whole? Like this finger won’t quarrel with this finger, is it? Because it knows that it is a part and Read More …
Now the time has come for you to experience the Truth Rome (Italy)
Public Programme Day 1, Rome, Italy 09-05-1986 I bow to all the seekers of Truth.But you have to ask only for the Truth and nothing else.Our idea about Truth is also based upon our concepts that we have got from somebody else. Also, it might be due to some sort of our ego-oriented concept that we have created ourselves.But Truth is what it is and you cannot make it.So, if I say to you something, you don’t have to blindly believe me. But now the time has come for you to experience the Truth. In your evolutionary process now, from amoeba stage to this stage, you have arrived, whatever you have achieved is felt on your central nervous system. But it has to admitted that human beings have not reached their complete stage. The purpose for which they were made human beings is not yet established, otherwise there would have been no problems of any kind. Maybe that, so far, it was not possible to manifest the Truth in an en-masse way. And maybe that there were only very few flowers that came on the Tree of Life till today. But nowadays, as you see, there are so many seekers and what are they seeking is the Truth.First of all, you have to know that you cannot put in any effort for that. You cannot pay for it. The Divine does not understand money, nor you can conceive it, or you can preach about it; it has to happen to Read More …
Two powers within Rome (Italy)
From 30:27sec Shri Mataji speaks Shri Mataji: I bow to all the seekers of truth. As I said yesterday the seekers of truth are a special category of people in the evolutionary process of human beings. Those who are seeking reality see clearly that whatever we have known so far is not the reality, but whatever is unknown is not reality also. Human beings have been made especially with great care, delicately to ascent to the highest state of the spirit and there are many things which are kept away absolutely from their awareness just to keep them peaceful. For example, we do not know about our subconscious and about collective subconscious, also we do not know about Supra conscious area and the collective Supra conscious. They are manifested within us by two powers, as you see – one the power of Desire on the left hand side and one by the power of action on the right hand side. The left hand side, which caters to our subconscious, manifests the emotions within us and all the conditioning that people talk about and beyond the subconscious lies the collective subconscious. On the right hand side of ours is manifested our futures, which is the Supra conscious mind and the right side channel what we call as the channel for action manifest the Supra conscious, beyond that lies the collective supra conscious, but the super consciousness is on the top of our head where we have to ascent, we are not Read More …
Achieve the Absolute Rome (Italy)
Public program, day 1, Rome, Italy, 20-05-1985 I bow to all seekers of Truth (Shri Mataji folds her hands and bow to the audience) First of all, we must know, what are we seeking. What is the Truth? The truth is very simple, that in our evolutionary process we have not yet completed our journey. We have become human beings, but we have to still get to a position which is absolute. A state where we’ll have joy, where we will be blissful and where we will become collectively conscious.When people are not satisfied with what they have, they start seeking the Truth and such people are of a special category. These are quite a lot in the modern times, while in the beginning of life there were very few who were seeking the Truth. In the beginning, men started seeking protection from Nature, and then he tried to find out possession, money, power and a state reached where he found that these things do not give you permanent satisfaction.We believe that a certain thing if we get, we will be very joyous and satisfied. Like somebody wants to have a car, then he is not satisfied. Then he wants to have a house, then he is not satisfied. Like that he is seeking about the pleasures of life, goes on and on and on, but he is never satisfied. Thus, the law of economics says that wants, in general, are never satiable in particular maybe but not in general. Read More …
Shri Ganesha Puja: You Should be Prepared to Change Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Rome (Italy)
Shri Ganesha Puja. Rome (Italy), 19 May 1985. It’s a great day for Me to come to Italy to celebrate Ganesha Puja. The nature which we see around is the blessing of the Ganesha only, because He is the one who prays to the Mother Earth that She should grant Her blessings upon human beings. It is He who moulds all the elements of the nature and moulds them to create life. As you call them, these are all carbohydrates. Now, the carbohydrates have got carbon and hydrogen. Carbon is coming from Shri Ganesh and hydrogen is coming from Mahakali. And that is how this universe is created in this beautiful way all around us. Now, these carbohydrates need oxygen, which is given to us by the Sun, by the right side. Thus, you know that in the night, these trees emit hydrogen and in the daytime they generate oxygen. This is all the trick of Shri Ganesha, who is sitting in between. Now, it is He who becomes the Sun. He ascends from the deep-down seat below the Kundalini, rises on the left-hand side of Mahakali, goes up and settles in the Surya, that is the Agnya. So Mahakali, which is the Primordial Energy, is absolutely transcended by Him. As the child of Mahakali, He’s absolutely dedicated and devoted to Her. And that is how He is the master of Mahakali power, Lord of [that power]. That means He is the Lord of the subconscious mind. He is the Lord of all the jadas. Jada, Read More …
La Grande Madre Che Conforta TV interview Rome (Italy)
La Grande Madre Che Conforta TV interview, Rome, Italy, 19-05-1985 [Interviewer speaks in Italian.] Translator of Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Sahaja means born with you. Saha is with and ja is born. It also means spontaneous. It’s a spontaneous happening of a living energy within you which gets awakened and unites you to the Divine. Now Sahaja Yoga is a happening as the epitome of the evolutionary process. We have become human beings but still we are not yet complete and absolute. We live in a relative world. This energy pierces through six centres, subtle centres, ultimately through the fontanelle bone area, and you receive your self-knowledge, your self-realisation, what we call the baptism is actualised. It is not an artificial baptism but actually you can feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of your head. Kundalini is the Mother, this power is the Holy Ghost within you which rises and gives you this final experience of the Spirit, which is very important, that everyone has to receive, every human being has to receive it. Translator: Is this kind of Yoga attainable by everybody, Shri Mataji? Shri Mataji: Of course, it is available to all the human beings, it has to be, because it is meant for human beings to rise to that level. Translator: So, are there not in this kind of Yoga some special exercises, practices, or is it meant for young people, old people, or both of them? Shri Read More …
Interview RAI TV Rome (Italy)
Interview RAI TV, Rome, Italy, 19-05-1985 Interviewer: What is the Kundalini? Shri Mataji: The kundalini is the power of pure desire in the triangular bone. All our desires are impure, because when the desires are fulfilled, we are not satisfied. Only desire which is pure is this one. When it ascends, then we know that the desire was to be one, to be united with the Divine Power which is All-pervading. Interviewer: [Question in Italian] Shri Mataji: One must understand that you cannot pay for Divine work because it is a living work. Like the seed, when it sprouts, you don’t pay any money to the Mother Earth. You see, it is a living work of the Divine. You can’t pay for it. The first thing is you should not pay for anything. Anybody who takes money in the name of Divine or lives on that in the name of Divine is sinful. Interviewer: Why you don’t have practical exercises, physical and all these things? Shri Mataji: No, no practical exercise is needed. It’s a living process, again. It’s a living process of the living energy. And for living process you don’t do any exercise. It has to work spontaneously. Sahaja means spontaneous. Interviewer: If there are no exercises and there is nothing to do. How is the Kundalini awakened? And if people don’t meet you. How can they get the Kundalini awakened? Shri Mataji: They meet Me somehow, now for on the television now there will be so many. Read More …
Musical Night, Evening Program, Eve of Shri Ganesha Puja Rome (Italy)
Musical Saturday’s night before Ganesha puja, in Rome, Italy, 18/05/1985 Transcript incompleteMusic and bhajans. 31:55Shri Mataji: And now, we must really thank Guido for organizing so beautifully the whole thing and his wife who’s working very hard here, and all the Italian Sahaja Yogis.[Applause]And in Milano must thank also Gulio, the way he organized, it was a beautiful thing and other people like Ernesto, and Adriana, who took so much interest in organizing and specially I must say about our Bolivian friend who’s name is rather difficult, but I know that!It’s very easy because if you “caviar” and you just put the “caviar” that’s all! Caviar who-and his wife- have really done so well, it’s remarkable.An now we are going to have a program also in Venice, were I’m sure, Vienna people will come down, and also people from Milano will go and work it out. I’m sure we’ll achieve something great there.May God bless you all.33:50 34:14He’s told me also that it’s going to be arrangements like Brahmapuri here for all of you. I hope you’ll enjoy your stay of Brahmapuri here. [Shri Mataji is laughing]Alright. So let’s have some other music and also we have to thank all the musicians who are helping us here, to sing so beautifully in such a concord, in such tune! It’s beautiful I tell you, I’m really amazed. Otherwise, first of all, you used to sing in such funny ways, that I used to be frightened! That first the Deities will run Read More …
Press Conference Rome (Italy)
Interview, Press Conference, Rome (Italy), 18 May 1985. I’m sorry, very sorry to be late but I was in tv interview there, very sorry. I’ll ask all of you to sit down. [Shri Mataji speaks aside to Sahaja Yogis, also about offering refreshments to the journalists who have been waiting for quite a long time.] [Introduction in Italian until 07:38] Interviewer: What is the difference between Sahaja Yoga and the other kinds of yoga that we know in Europe? Shri Mataji: This Patanjali Yoga Shastra which was used about 78 000 years back was a system he had developed to prepare people for Self-realization. That was the time when children used to go to school in the forest and lead a very celibate life till the age of 25 years. So they were taught how to discipline themselves, how to cleanse their body under the guidance of a very evolved realized soul. But the physical exercises you do here is absolutely indiscriminate because it has no relevance to the body. It has to relate to different centers – subtle centers; wherever is the problem in the center that is the exercise one has to do and that was only known to those great masters. So they have got some sort of a half-baked ideas out of a little thing out the eight part, a little bit, called as Physical Yoga which has no relevance at all, anywhere. Then if you develop too much of your physical being you neglect your Read More …
Interview by Gregoire at the Ashram Ashram of Pichini, Rome (Italy)
Interview, Ashram in Pichini, Guidonia Montecelio, Rome, 18 May 1985 1985-0518. The Interview was recorded in the Pichini ashram the day before the Ganesha puja 1985. It was an interview to be passed later on in a private TV Shri Mataji: You can remove this thing. Gregoire: I’m sorry. It all seems a bit too mysterious. Guido! So, listen, you can sit on the… So, Shri Mataji, the idea is the following: is that I would perhaps just introduce a little bit the thing, and then I would ask You the question of the theme of the relationship of motherhood and spirituality. Because this is to feed an emission of about twenty minutes that we are paying ourselves, which would be on the channels. After that Alessandra, as asked, she will just tune in at some point to ask some questions on education and children towards the end, at the end. Alessandra: We would like to ask You some questions on education of children in India. Shri Mataji: (Shri Mataji’s chair edge is on some cloth) I am sorry, did I do? Gregoire: Sorry Shri Mataji, you are sitting on … Sorry. Shri Mataji: Is the door closed? Gregoire: Is the door closed over there? Shri Mataji: It’s rather cold. Put the heater. Somebody has to help Danya a little bit to bring her things down. Yogi: You do this. Gregoire: Well, it’s interesting to have the opportunity to talk about something so extraordinary as Sahaja Yoga. The matter of Read More …
Discussion on Progress in the West Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Rome (Italy)
Discussion on Progress in the West, Rome Ashram, Italy 1985 -05-17 How we are destroying ourselves, I think that is the ideal thing one can do. The real shock is this we should not worry about population or anything. I think you should all sit down and think about it and make a, this thing, and then you should give confessions and stories about someone Sahaj Yogi told me horrible story about his own father that when he got his confirmation and he was about 16 years of age you see. The father celebrated it, his confirmation and after that he called a prostitute to teach him all about just imagine.If that is the situation, if the parents only try to..like these things. And they think they are liberated, there should be a really very sarcastic and any pungent attack on these people those who think they are liberated and this and that. It’s just a mental domination and the conscious mind has become so powerful with the west I tell you, one day they won’t be able to control it also, won’t be able to control their conscious mind. It will go beyond their consciousness; it may happen like that. You see, when ego becomes the most powerful thing then you cannot control it at all. {Shri mataji talking to a sahaj yogi}. They are living in another world I tell you still, have to make them understand that they are really going towards their destruction all these things Read More …
Short Conversation on Arrival Rome Ashram - Nirmala House, Rome (Italy)
1985-05-16 Arrival, Rome Ashram, Italy Shri Mataji: Oh! Who has done this painting here? Very good idea.Guido: This is a copy of the one that has been made by Herbert.Shri Mataji: Ah.Guido: In Vienna.Shri Mataji: But it’s big work, much bigger, much bigger.Guido: Yes. And also, there is the deity on his eyelash.Shri Mataji: Yes. And everything is so beautiful, I tell you, really.It’s really beautiful. Please, be seated. Extremely beautiful. A very nice place, Feels so fresh here, very, very fresh. So nice. Imagine what a place! [In Hindi: Very Beautiful] It’s god sent. Guido: All wood is so naturalShri Mataji: And also, you see, to have such a big hall, such a big hall!Guido: Yes. We can have 300 people. 300 hundred people can be here.Shri Mataji: Live here?Guido: Can be –Shri Mataji: Seated. Hmm. It’s beautiful. [Hindi] It’s god sent, I tell you. As if for [inaudible]. Beautiful. Anyway, pleasant and nice place. So now what do we do?Guido: Dinner, we have dinner.Shri Mataji: Dinner. And then we can talk to these people.Guido: Yes, Mother. You prefer it here or in your room? Shri Mataji: When did you come all of you? You came this morning?Sahaja Yogini: Yes, with the train.Guido: They came by train, Shri Mataji.Shri Mataji: I See!Guido: First, our Ruth is here. Shri Mataji: Ah, Ruth! How did you come? By train or by-Ruth: By plane. Aeroplane, Shri Mataji.Guido: Aeroplane.Shri Mataji: Aeroplane, I see. Is there a direct plane?Ruth: No.Shri Mataji: You had to Read More …
The Channels Rome (Italy)
1984-09-20 Second Public Program in Rome [An Italian speaker (Guido) gives an introduction in Italian before the arrival of Shri Mataji.] Thank you, thank you [Shri Mataji thanks for the flowers received]. Sit down. What has he said, so far what has he talked about? He talked about what? Yogi: He’s been talking principally about the Mother. [Shri Mataji laughs] I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday I talked to you about the different centres, subtle centres within us, and also when a person reaches a higher state of awareness what happens to him. At the human level, when we exist as normal human beings, there are three channels which work within us automatically. They are called as autonomous nervous systems, but if you ask them who is this “auto” the medical science cannot say who is that. They just say that this is autonomous, [it’s] a name given, but they do not explain. But whatever we achieve in our evolutionary process is expressed in our central nervous system, as I told you yesterday. Now if you ask a dog to go through a dirty lane he can just walk through, he has no problems. But if you ask a human being to pass through a dirty lane he cannot do it, because in his awareness he has developed a sense of dirt, filth, colour, so many things, music. But for an animal, it is Greek and Latin. In the same way, a person who is not a Read More …
Experience the Spirit on your central nervous system Rome (Italy)
Public Program Day 1 Teatro Aurora, Rome (Italy), 19 September 1984 I bow to all the seekers of truth. In life, we must be thinking about the reality that we have not known so far. We must have asked questions to ourselves, why we are on his earth? What is the purpose? And what is the truth is a very important thing we should try to find out. So far in the human awareness, whatever we know, is on our central nervous system. But we have not had the experience of the Spirit on our nervous system. We have heard in many scriptures, Indian, Chinese, Bible, that there is a Spirit that guides us. It is also said that you have to be the Spirit. And when Christ said that, “You have to be born again to be the Spirit”, Nicodemus asked him, ‘Do you mean to say, I should enter into the womb of my Mother?’ So Christ said, ‘No, whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, but whatever is born of the Holy Ghost, of the Holy Spirit is the Spirit.’ That means clearly that so far in human awareness we have not reached our purpose. But this is not only said by Christ. Thousands of years back, in India, so many people have been telling that you must get your ‘Self Realisation’. Actually the people were so much against Christ, that they did not allow Him to live long to explain much. And those who started Read More …
Milan/Rome Events, Conversations, Interview Rome (Italy)
1984-09-17, Milan/Rome Events, Conversations 1 Shri Mataji: “Now, it’s too loud”. Yogi: “Shri Mataji take to Milan Her message. This is the title, the great….”. Shri Mataji: “I didn’t hear, again;” Yogi: Shri Mataji take to Milan Her message, and the title, the big title is – “The Great Mother leads to discover the seed of the Spirit”. Shri Mataji: The seat of the… Yogi: The seed, Seed, seed. Second Yogi: The seed. Shri Mataji: The seed…lead, lead. Yogi: is leading? Is leading us to discover the seed of the Spirit. This is fundamentally a call for a man of today, because he has to discover the Spirit within, and this mostly is the message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, that She gave to the person She met. And also She has a great disponibility on helping him to reach the Self-Realization and teaching him the way to enter in connection with the Divine. And get from that the vital energy. And yesterday She brought Her message to the people in Milan, in that meeting in the “Sala de Congressi”, of the Provincia. The rationality has led the men too far away and he forgot his own inner spirituality and his natural tendency for the ascent, that’s what Shri Mataji said. But the most of all in the Western World, we have always neglected the knowledge of the roots and we gave the privilege of the knowledge of the trees. And this has grown too far, and risk to get Read More …
Seekers of Joy Auditorium RAI del Foro Italico, Rome (Italy)
Third Public Program Day 3, “Seekers of Joy”. Rome (Italy), 10 September 1983. I bow to all the seekers of joy. I’ve had many, many questions from the last lecture. And gradually in my own lecture you will find, I have tried to answer some of them. But only possible to divert all my today’s lecture on those, because I want to tell you about the spirit. It seems there is someone who is a learned man about Indian philosophy and I was happy to know that he has also studied that. Because all that is not so known to the western world, I didn’t want to bring it in. [Aside: Will you please sit down in your place and don’t disturb everyone – this gentleman I don’t know why he wants to disturb. Why don’t you go? Yesterday he was misbehaving also for nothing at all.] This gentleman has asked a question about spandakarika – is a word which is used for Kundalini which creates the spanda. Spanda is the pulsation. Whether this is the same? Yes, it is absolutely the same, but it is not any ism, like what you called as shaibaism. In the sixth century we had a very great saint in India or you can call him a incarnation or a great master, called Adi Shankaracharya – who has very clearly said that Kundalini has to be awakened Sahaja. He wrote many treaties like Viveka Churamani and all those. And then he got fed-up with Read More …
Talk about Christ Sala Borromini, Biblioteca Vallicelliana, Rome (Italy)
Second Public Program, Day 2, “Talk about Christ”. Rome (Italy), 9 September 1983. I bow to all the seekers of reality. To know the reality is only possible if you’re connected with your spirit. Without that, whatever you know is all on human level. Now, somebody asked Me a question, that if you just say, “’Hail Mary’ or if you say Lord’s Prayer, then will it not also allow the plants to grow?” Now it is our experience that it did not do anything by saying, “Hail Mary” or Lord’s Prayer, so far. By chance, something has happened, but it was not definite, that it will happen, when you said all these things. It is very simple to understand, that without the connection with the Divine, how can we communicate? For example, if this instrument is made, it also has got with it, the wire, to connect itself to the mains. So, if you do not connect this instrument to the mains, it doesn’t work, the instrument is artificial. So when you say “Hail Mary” or you say Lord’s Prayer, you are telephoning to God without the connection within. This has given two kinds of reactions to people. First of all, to say that there must be something wrong with us. So God did not listen to us or to say that there is no God and this is all not true. It is today, at this time, the whole world is on the brink of giving up the faith Read More …
Whatever is the truth is to be known through the light of your Spirit Sala Borromini, Biblioteca Vallicelliana, Rome (Italy)
Public Program Day 1. Rome (Italy), 8 September 1983. I bow to all the seekers of truth. Today is a great auspicious day where I’m here on the birthday of Mother Mary, but today I am going to talk to you about reality and about truth. Whatever is the truth is to be known through the light of your Spirit. You can see in this world, in these modern times, we have developed so many sorts of things which proclaim that they know the truth. There are institutions who say that they are the ones who are agencies of truth, but we must understand that truth is something that has to be known through your consciousness. You must know it through your central nervous system. When we evolve to be a human being whatever we could know through our central nervous system is the real truth, and once you know the truth, you reach the source of joy that is your Spirit. Now, to know the truth, people have gone to various type of enterprises, and also to feel joy they have tried all kind of alternatives which now so many realize was not alright because they have landed now in a very precarious position; any day it might explode to ruin this world. For example, first man thought that if he was a powerful country, or a powerful human being he can overpower others and can grab them and by that can enjoy the power, but somehow at present Read More …
Puja and How to establish beginners Ruth’s Apartment, Rome (Italy)
Conversation with Sahaja Yogis, Rome, Italy, April 30th [unsure], 1982 Now we have to also find out the tapes from. Now when you go there, you ask Gavin and other people. They will give you the tapes. And also from Nirmala Yoga, also, you can ask people to have membership. You can also get some nice records and things like that. From Gavin, he will tell you. In France, there might be some tapes of music that have been done in my presence. Ask Gavin to give. And he will be able to tell you and how to get it. It can be sent by a person or post or something. But another thing that now Marie is doing is to find out people who are against the cult, you see. And such people should be brought to Sahaja Yoga. Marie is doing that work, a kind of [unclear] and that’s how they brought people, you see, to Sahaja Yoga. And that sort of people you find out if you ask Marie about it.Sahaja Yogini: Against the cult.Shri Mataji: Against the cult, you see. And about the protocol also perhaps they are printing now a new sort of a pamphlet. So, you get those and other pamphlets that are there. If you can translate, we can get copies made for, I mean, you have translated?Sahaja Yogini: I have translated only Sahaja Yoga practice.Shri Mataji: And you got it printed also? All right. So, if you want any other that they Read More …
The Heart and Hamsa Centers Rome (Italy)
Public Program Day 3. Rome (Italy), 29 April 1982. All the seekers of truth, I bow.I have told you before during last two days, about the different energies that run within us and also the subtle centers who manifest with those centers outside, except for two. Today I will tell you about the remaining two centers and about what to do after realization. As you know, today is the last day and tomorrow I have to leave and next time I’m sure I’ll come for a week to meet you all again. Now the centre that is placed is the center of the heart is called as the heart center, or in Sanskrit language is called as anahat chakra, anahat chakra. This is the center, very important, because till the age of twelve years the sternum bone which is placed in front of it, produces a kind of sense which are called as antibodies, and then these antibodies travel all around the body and protect us from any invasion from outside. This is the center that informs the antibodies about the invasion and how to fight it. This center is bestowed upon the deity of the ‘Mother of the World’. She’s the Mother of all the seekers and of all the saints and prophets and She protects all the seekers who are mislead or carried away by fake gurus and false gurus. She also protects the seekers when they are trying to achieve their realization and some negative forces try Read More …
The aspect of the deities on the chakras Rome (Italy)
2nd Public Program April 28th 1982 Rome, Italy I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday I gave you an introduction to the spontaneous happening of Self-realisation through Sahaja yoga. There is no other method than the spontaneous and the living process. As all the seeds sprout the same way, in the same manner, your awakening also takes the same way. Today, especially as asked by someone, I would like to tell you about the aspect of the deities on these centres. It’s written in the Bible that “thou shall not recreate anything or reproduce anything that is created by the Mother Earth or the sky and worship it.” But the first part is, people, pay more attention to the second part where it says “whatever is created by Mother Earth and the sky”. Now, what is created by the sky and what is created by Mother Earth? The one that one can worship. You’ll be amazed that this Mother Earth understands much more than we know. And this Mother Earth produces through her being such stones or such images which have a coefficient which emits vibrations. For example, in England, we have a place called Stonehenge. For a normal person, it is something mysterious but it is produced by the Mother Earth and it is placed in three and a half coils exactly. But some people who did not understand the meaning of it took up the stones and placed them on top of other stones and there Read More …
Liver, Mantras Rome (Italy)
Public Program Day 1. Rome (Italy), 28 April 1982. YOGINI: ( says some words in Italian, she translates the whole speech ) Shri Mataji: Now to cure this liver we have to take lots of carbon-hydrates. And best is white sugar, if it is vibrated. Now doctors always say that, “Don’t take sugar”. You cannot have a general treatment like that for everyone, because everybody is different and different problems. Those people who have liver-trouble must take sugar which is vibrated. When this sugar goes into the blood-stream, then it puts the, it puts the [unclear; H2O.] of the water, of the blood into proper shape. The [H2O?], you see in the hydrogen and oxygen, it’s like this, you see, the Oxygen is in the center, say, and these hydrogen’s, two hydrogen’s on the sides, like this, you see. But when it is imbalanced then what happens, this goes up and this comes down and it cannot receive the heat. But when you get that and this goes down and these two come up, when you take the vibrated thing. So, you can receive the heat. So that when you take this vibrated sugar, when you take this vibrated sugar, your liver is cured. Normally, liver-patients are always skinny and they are very irritable, they could be very hot-tempered. And they could be very dry in temperament. They may not even have any, any emotional feelings left in them. Ah, I had a dentist as a – who came to Read More …
Ruth’s appartment Rome (Italy)
Conversation in Ruth’s appartment, Rome, Italy, April the 26th, 1982 Shri Mataji: [to be convinced that] what we have to expect, what should happen to you, what Christ has said. Not what the churches are talking. What Christ has said, if you are a Catholic. Catholic means, I don’t know what you know of Catholic. What does it mean? New person: No, I was brought up as a Catholic. Shri Mataji: No, no, what I am saying, what is a Catholic, the word means? New person: What is a Catholic? Oh, the words itself, I don’t know. Shri Mataji: In our, in Sanskrit language, is called Samadhi, means something eternal. The ancient and eternal is Samadhi. So that is what is Catholic. And what do we expect, is what Christ has said, is/means Samadhi. So we should really sort it out first of all in our minds. It’s very much necessary. We should sort out what Christ has told, what are you to expect, what is the proof. New person: That’s my problem, because I’m already [having a OR agno], I am agnostic, [to the point of I don’t OR so I’m going to find and] verify, perhaps I believe in Christ as a man. Shri Mataji: Yes. Yes. All right. No, no but you see… New person: I don’t know if I believe in God. Shri Mataji: All right. All right. As a man also if you believe what has He told? What has He told? You see if Read More …
Conversation Ruth’s Apartment, Rome (Italy)
[The William Blake* song, “Jerusalem”, is sung.] [unclear] prediction. Specially it’s a prediction about the house. I don’t know if you have read all that, this house that we are going to be building is says that at the back of Kensington Garden, then there’s a brook there who was called as so Twyburn which flows just under our house. Somewhere there, used to flow. A house will be decorated and the earth like humility will give the base as sort of very good [unclear] the whole thing is. And hearts will be thanks-giving. All this will be built. And [there] the golden builders. You see, they are painted with gold. The golden builders will build a monument. It’s beautiful. Every word of it, it’s so many things in that. As well as they are still searching it intuitively because when the things happen then they find out. Like the foundations will be made in Lambeth way, and [a/her] sinuses will vibrate round. [Aside: So you tell him?] Sahaja Yogini: Yes, Mother. [Italian translation] Shri Mataji: And first because He[‘ll be lived] in Surrey Hills. I lived in Southern Hills first, you see. So the first because he’ll be lived in Southern Hills. And another one, another prediction we had in India, means it’s another great thing, two thousand years back. [So/See] there was a great guru, who, very well-known for his astrological predictions, you see. He has written two books, you see. One of them is called as Nadi Read More …
Conversation, About Children Ruth’s Apartment, Rome (Italy)
Conversation about Children, Ruth’s apartment, Rome, Italy, 24-04-1982 Shri Mataji: [unclear] I thought there was a big gap in my travelling now. Coming from India, I had some rest. [Where has Wilson gone?/It’s very nice and warm] London was very warm. How are you? I asked her. She said she’s here. How are you feeling? May God bless you. Am I supposed to sit there? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: It’s too much, beautiful all right. [He is busy/it’s beautiful.] So beautiful it is. Sahaja Yogi: Would you like a cup of tea, Mother? Shri Mataji: Yes, that would be nice. How are you? Sahaja Yogini: Hmm, good, thank you, Mother.Shri Mataji: That’s good. Now, I can see that on your face. [Sahaja Yogini: I never thought I would see you again. / I always enjoyed to see your face.] Shri Mataji: You know you all have to expand. This time [it is faster/spread much faster.] Shri Mataji : So what a welcome! What a welcome, [huh/eh]! What a welcome! [Arya?] must have told you all her experiences that we had in India. This year maybe we may not have any group in, in India maybe, because now I am going to concentrate on building some sort of a building for [unclear/ to speak] [these people here. The land that is given to us is absolutely beautiful. The land is so beautiful , you people all came away – it is the most beautiful land that you can think, Read More …
At Gregoire’s Flat Rome (Italy)
1981-11-24 At Gregoire’s Flat [UNCLEAR]Yogi: Mother, [UNCLEAR] with the Italians. What are your [UNCLEAR]? Even before realization, I have a feeling that during this whole programme there was certain attitude of respect. Maybe two or three are useless but the group. There was a kind of respect and they say, “Madre” and you know. this kind of right attitude right away.Yogi: Well, this is the place where the Virgin Mary is most respected in the whole of Christian [UNCLEAR] This is the place where [UNCLEAR] and [UNCLEAR] were.Shri Mataji They may not [UNCLEAR] the church. Right? There were [UNCLEAR]Yogi: That was the illusion of the church, much better than the Swiss. They, they have lost their illusions of the church much better than the Swiss. Shri Mataji: They are [UNCLEAR] better. And nobody objected. Nobody objected.Yogi: And I was so amazed, they were so enamored by raising the kundalini Mother. Mother, they were so happy to raise the kundalini, it was amazing.Shri Mataji I would say it was a very good achievement. In India, [UNCLEAR] they know how to respect the Goddess. In India, [UNCLEAR] no once can [UNCLEAR] Mother. [UNCLEAR] to say even. very remarkable. They [UNCLEAR] that to say something will not [UNCLEAR] In India, [UNCLEAR] listen [UNCLEAR] where [UNCLEAR] No Mother, [UNCLEAR] because their sense of protocol is very clean.Yogi: Therefore Mother, it is so important for us to go to India because we learn so much from them.Yogi: Mother, if some people want to come to Read More …
At Gregoire’s Flat, Before Program Rome (Italy)
1981-11-21 At Gregoire’s Flat – Before Program in Rome Shri Mataji: How is your child? Yogi: [She?] is doing fine Shri Mataji [UNCLEAR] It’s been a long time since I saw him. Shri Mataji Hello, I have come to meet you all the way. How are you? Shri Mataji There is a child, [Annika? ], she is about, I think, 3 years or so, 3 and a half and she comes to see me in the [UNCLEAR]. First thing she would come and just fall at my feet and stay there till I have completely, sort of, control her, she is there and after every one hour she was [UNCLEAR]. Surprising, [UNCLEAR] how she understands. She is hardly three and a half years, so surprised. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji How are you? All right? Yogi: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji How, how are you feeling? Are you better? Yogi: This is Irma’s husband who has never met you before. Shri Mataji Really? Yogi: Yes In Switzerland there are so many, these people I remember. Actually these were very unhappy in the beginning. They thought that it will never [work out?UNCLEAR]. [You have to be somehow?] Shri Mataji There are seekers all over, we have to [UNCLEAR] and [UNCLEAR] went out to arrange the [UNCLEAR] and we had about 450 or 500 people and they are doing very well. Yogi: Is it because there was the[UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji But maybe, now [UNCLEAR], they are going away now, they have started such a [UNCLEAR] Yogi: Read More …