怎样让自觉得到成长

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怎 样 让 自 觉 得 到 成 长

1979年10月15日  英国伦敦

你们多数人是霎哈嘉瑜伽士。现在,那些已经得到自觉的人,那些已经感受到生命能量的人必须知道,他们现在正发展成为另外一种存有。这种萌芽已经开始,你们必须允许这萌芽以其自身的方式成就。但是当我们得到自觉,通常来说,我们并没有意识到这是发生在我们内在的一件大事。这种不可能的触发,已经发生在我们身上了,而且它必须缓慢地运作起来。它必须使我们成长和进化。因为我们感觉不到我们的自觉,并没有像我们应该的那样去认真对待它。此外,我们周围还都是不能感受到生命能量的人。他们不知道这个领域,他们从未见过。

就像导师那纳克(Guru Nanaka)所说:它是不可见的(alakh),他们没有见过,也不了解,并不知道有一种神的力量存在,这种力量能理解、协调、并配合你们,它在集体存有中运作,让你们感知到集体存有和其它存有。我们称之为不可见的(alakh)或者无形的(paroksha),意思是没有人看见过,也没有人了解。他们谈论这种力量,谈论神的国度,谈论神的力量,上天的力量。所有的都是谈论、谈论、再谈论。但一旦你们受触发而进入了那个力量之中,你们必须有所成长。除非你们成长进入那个神的力量,否则你们会被淘汰掉,特别是那些来自假导师和追随过虚假事物的人。

他们不知道这些东西有多可怕?就像你们坐在一条鳄鱼上,突然你们发现那是一条鳄鱼,你们会以多快的速度逃走?但是,哪怕只是知道那是一条鳄鱼,它会把你们吃掉,都没那么容易。因此,这个人也并不能意识到(自己站在一条鳄鱼上),如同你们不能意识到那个内在的触发一样,这最困难的事情已发生在你们身上,这些是困难的,但已经发生在你们身上。你们要知道这为什么会发生。你们认为这是理所当然的,你们也理所当然地接受恶魔。至少不要理所当然地接受恶魔。应尽快远离它们。然后冥想,冥想,尝试让自己立足于上天爱的国度里。

我说这是上天的爱。你们不能理解什么是上天的爱。你们不能理解有人爱你们只是出于爱,只是因为那个人爱你们。祂一直在爱着你们,因为祂享受爱。在梵文中这被称为“avraja”……,即没有利益关系,只有爱在流动。即使当这种爱要纠正你们,也是在爱之中纠正。上天爱的保护是你们的自觉萌芽生长的唯一通道。这种爱赐予你们所需的温暖,赐予你们所需的力量,赐予你们所需的自信。一切都由上天的爱赐予你们。

因此,你们必须意识到,那是爱,爱是一切创造的基础。神创造了这个世界、这个宇宙,只是因为祂爱你们,祂想要赐予你们祂的祝福,是因为祂爱你们。但问题在于你们爱你们自己有多少,你们对自己的了解有多深。你们没有进行自我评估,这就是虽然灵量已经升起,你们已经得到了自觉,你们的生命能量在流动,而成长还是非常缓慢的原因所在。因为注意力一直在外面,就算自觉后依然在外面。有时它被吸入内在,然后再次走向外面。此外,我们根本没有改变我们的旧习性。继续沿袭这些旧习性。我们的生活结构、思维方式仍然照旧。我们再次发现自己迷失在同样的混乱之中。

现在,霎哈嘉瑜伽给予你们自觉,好吧,但它也会让你们慢慢自取灭亡。如果你们对自己和你们的存有掉以轻心,如果你们不爱自己,不明白你们是神的工具——籍由此,你们将第一次你们给予人们自觉,将去拯救人们免于溺亡,第一次你们被创造成这样。你们今天所获得的这种能力,你们从前不曾拥有过,也没有人类曾拥有过。能获得这能力的简直是凤毛麟角。

而现在你们已经拥有了这种能力,你们却不想去评估自身的价值!这种能力是有多么重要,如果你们能意识到这一点,那么你们会把它展现出来。让这种力量绽放出来!然而,我发现,现在因为你们全都是霎哈嘉瑜伽士,我可以这样向你们讲述通常都关于灵量之类的知识,但我却发现你们并没有觉察到自己灵量的运作。

如果试着去理解,祂是最爱你们的,因为祂是你们每个人的母亲,如果你们试着跟随祂,你们会明白祂正在暗示:你们内在哪里出了问题?你们必须改正些什么?你们必须做些什么?因为祂想要让你们更完美,祂想帮助你们。因此,如果你们开始以爱和理解来关注祂,祂非常爱玩,极其甜美。像个小孩子一样,富有各种美妙的游戏。祂处处逗你们开心,想引起你们的注意,祂并不会打扰你们。对祂你们只要保持警觉,祂真正会使你们成熟起来。你们已经看见随着时间的推移人们是怎样成熟起来。但是你们必须把注意力放在祂和你们自己身上,否则,没有开悟,你们有什么价值呢?没有开悟,一个人有什么价值呢?

如果人类没有开悟,有什么用呢?这个设备,如果不把它接入主电源有什么用呢,其余的都是无用的,对吗?正是你们应去提升人们,如同我们有一些煤气灯,应去照亮人们。一个人跑到煤气灯那里,点亮这些灯。唯有他才有能力和力量去点亮这些灯,于是他跑到街上,点亮所有的煤气灯。必须由他去做这些,他是被指定来做此事的。

霎哈嘉瑜伽士必须认识到自己的价值。你们在霎哈嘉瑜伽中成就了什么?你们已经拯救了多少人,你们已经帮助了多少人?但恰恰相反,你们自身的问题太多了,你们在通过谈话、讨论和争论给他人制造问题,你们无法通过讨论来唤醒灵量。你们必须知道,你们无法通过争论来唤醒灵量。这必须依靠灵量自身的运作。通过争论、讨论、发牢骚、评判,让你们自己迷惑,你们给灵量制造了问题留待她去解决。你们不是在追寻自己的灵吗?你们不是担心自己灵体的救赎吗?如果是这样,你们正在对灵做些什么?这才是最重要的事情。

我想每个人都会意识到:只得到自觉并不是终点。因为自觉仅仅是刚刚开始萌芽。你们必须走得更远,你们必须对那些还没得自觉的人心怀慈悲。你们必须想到他们,你们必须给予他们自觉,一心一意地去做。但我发现人们仍然忙于别的事情。他们回到原来的生活轨道。你们是该忙碌,我不是说你们不应该为你们的生活做事情。你们应该做的。这是一件我们需要知道的非常重要的事情,我们必须把它成就出来,我们必须让自觉在内在成长起来。

但如果你们说:母亲,我们对您有完全的信心。那是不够的,你们有什么信心?你们所说的信心是什么?它是一个如此模糊的术语。信心究竟是什么?你们分析过“信心”这个词吗?有些人认为假如我们唱母亲的赞歌便是对母亲有完全的信心,这样就行了。为此,一个人必须达到像商羯罗(Adi Shankaracharya)大师那样的境界。重点是你们对自己是否有信心,对我有信心的人怎会对自己没有信心。你们必须对自己有信心,对你们的同伴有信心,对其他霎哈嘉瑜伽士有信心。我已经告诉过你们,霎哈嘉瑜伽不是靠个体来成就的。认为自己比别人更伟大的人是不可救药的。任何人都不应该为了显得自己更伟大而去做霎哈嘉瑜伽的工作,你们必须共同努力,为每个人做事情。你们当中的任何人认为自己比其他人更高,那么他就大错特错了。

那就像一只眼睛说我比另一只眼睛高,或者鼻子说我比眼睛高。在宇宙大我(Virata)的身体里,每样事物都有其位置,每个人既重要又可有可无。你们知道在印度,霎哈嘉瑜伽里很常见的事情,在这里却并不多见,印度人会是这样,他们有非常好的优点,就像无论什么时候我去那里,我发现他们都非常成熟,进展良好,因为他们并非像你们那样善于思考,你们是大思想家、幻想家和知识分子。我在想在一段时间后,所有知识分子一段时间后都在这里长出了犄角,就像这样,当你们看到他们,你们就会知道他们是知识分子,他们指责神和祂的所有做法。

从这个意义上来说,我想说,他们并不是知识分子,你们会在某些事情上失败,而他们(印度人)在某些事情上也会失败。他们总会有这种事情:有人走出来,例如一个男人,他说:不,我是伟大的,我是这样,我是那样。他喋喋不休地说,还贬低其他人。然后突然间,这个人被放倒了,人们感到震惊。母亲,发生什么了?你们不能这样,如果你们要像那样拉住一张铺开的地毯,你们不能只拉住它的一边,你们必须拉住整张地毯。只有一个人不能上演整出戏剧,现在你们站在我的立场。是的,我知道自己拥有所有的力量,当然一切都在那里,我应该是更高的,我是说本应是。但是,面对你们,我必须下来,我要和你们一起奋力登山。每一步我们都必须携手共进。

你们知道的,有人的某些轮穴受到感染,所以,我就要用到我的轮穴,让它们来发挥作用,然后感染的问题被解决了,就是以那样的方式去解决的。但是你们知道我要多费劲?我要多努力地工作?让他人自觉是一项使命。我的灵量并不需要任何东西,你们是知道的,但是它仍要背负着你们沉重的灵量,把它提升起来。那是一件非常沉重的事情,只有拥有真爱的人才能做到。那是唯一的条件。没有爱的人做不到。这需要太多太多的付出。整个身体都在发送生命能量,每个能量中心在发送生命能量,这并不容易。但正是你们和我之间的爱和慈悲,抚慰了我,足以抵偿所有的劳累、工作和我所投入的一切。有时我感到对于某些人,这样做纯属浪费,用在他们身上是如此地浪费,但依然是爱把我们带到一起,给予心灵的抚慰,让人感到格外快乐。每天清晨你们醒来,你们内在散发着一种清新的芬芳,你们会感到非常的幸福。

所以与人相处时要谨慎,你们必须以爱待人,而不是用批评,或地以任何方式贬低对方。当任何情况下你们都不会觉得自己高于其他人的时候,你们就没理由那样做了。如果你们正提升得更高,那么你们是在帮助集体的存有,但由此,如果你们觉得自己比他人更高,你们会再次跌下来,因为你们正在拉低集体。如果你们贬低任何人,或像那样去指责任何人,那么你们就是在贬低那个人。同样,你们也不应该去纠正,因为我会在那里纠正。

纠正他人不容易,你们可能会伤害他们。你们甚至并不知道纠正他人的方法。除非你们拥有那些从你们自身的存有,即从你们的爱中散发的强大生命能量,你们才可以纠正他人。因为这是一个自我导向的社会,我们非常擅长伤害他人。 你们控制他人,甚至不知道自己是在控制他人。我已经了解到在这个国家有如此多的控制方式,我们以一种非常精微的方式进行控制。我们以控制的方式对他人说话。我们是否曾经坐下来想过:我们要如何和别人交谈,向他们表达我们的爱呢?

我会反复地告诉你们——霎哈嘉瑜伽只是爱,爱,爱。你们有多爱别人才是关键点。轻视、批评是不好的。昨天你们还是照旧,今天你们会好些,你们还会变得更好。当然对于有些很难相处,或者诸多麻烦的人,你们应当清楚地告诉他们:对不起,先生,你们很负面,我们不能忍受你们。或许也有某些狡猾的人进来找你们麻烦,一定程度上还可以(容忍),然后你们必须告诉他们:我们很抱歉(你们得离开)。但是,就连判断一个人是否负面,他正在做什么样的事情,你们也只是通过思考,通过理性化的思考来进行。不要通过理性,而是要通过生命能量来判断。 因为通过理性看,一个可能表现很好的人,也许(是个负面的人),一位女士来到这里,她可能是一个可怕的人。所以,你们入静的程度意味着你们爱的程度。当你们想起别人,想想你们有多么爱他们,只是试着去想一想这是多么美好!如果那不是爱,是仇恨,这就像一股灼人的热浪,你们知道,那将会彻底带走你们心中所有的美丽和平静。

只有通过爱,霎哈嘉瑜伽才会传播。这么多年来你们已经看到了仇恨的力量。你们已经看到人们是怎样以仇恨相待的。他们是怎样谈论和对待彼此的?他们彼此之间没有温柔,没有友善,他们彼此如针尖对麦芒般相处。

你们现在必须改变这一切。你们必须创造人们彼此相爱的世界,不为别的任何事情。不为金钱,不为地位,不为美貌,不为性。只是为了爱。只因你们已经得到爱的祝福。

从下次开始,我们将做宣传,更多新人会进入霎哈嘉瑜伽,而且我确信人数还会增加。但我告诉过你们,你们所有人要弄清楚自己可以带多少人进来,并让他们有所进展。我要说,吉姆做得很好,非常出色。我为他感到自豪。他已经去做了很多事情,他独自一人去开展工作,在那里与可怕的魔怪作战,但是他做到了。你们所有人都必须支持他,还要支持那些想做事情的人。

把你们的心思放在这样的事情上。我们一直在考虑工作,考虑这个,考虑那个的。这是一段不容错过的宝贵时光。我们生生世世都在忙着工作、赚钱、结婚、生子,然后死去。这一生,让我们做一些特别的事情,整个宇宙都是为此而创造的。要为其他人打开天堂之门,你们必须要勤勉。你们很清楚,在霎哈嘉瑜伽里没有强制,也没有设定时间。没有强迫,因为我说它是爱。如果你们不想做,没有人会强迫你们。但正如我所说,霎哈嘉瑜伽你们会让你们慢慢地自取灭亡。直到你们完全进入幻象,你们才会知道自己已经失去了所有生命能量,会到那样(严重)的程度。

如果我们已经进入了前所未有的阶段,那么我们所采取的方式也必须是前所未有的。你们不能再使用你们之前所使用的方法。你们必须改变你们的方法,通过爱来判断你们的每一个行动。你们可以为别人做出多少牺牲呢?你们能为别人牺牲什么呢?你们能为别人提供什么服务呢?霎哈嘉瑜伽士们,我说的是,这里不存在牺牲。如果你们明白,并不存在牺牲,那就是爱。

如果你们爱某人,比如说,你们想为那个人带一枝玫瑰。你们去到市场,费了很大劲你们得到了玫瑰。当你们得到它时你们感到很开心。但后来你们的手指被刺到了,你们依然不介意,流血了,没有关系。你们只是期待着看见他,当你们看到那个人,你们忘掉期间所发生的一切,你们送玫瑰只是为了象征性地表达你们自己。你们觉得能够送给那个人玫瑰,是多么开心啊!在我们的生活中每天都在做着这样的事情。

但在霎哈嘉瑜伽里,你们不知不觉就做了,这些事情就发生了。你们是传送者。你们知道吗?当你们坐在任何地方进入冥想状态,你们都是在传送生命能量。在冥想时,如果你们在想着自己的工作或以前一直在思考的事情,那么这种传送就会变得比较差。冥想时,要想着爱,想着整个国家,整个世界,你们就是爱之波浪的传送者,爱因你们而流动。

我曾经告诉你们,你们是照着格涅沙的样子被创造出来的,这也是你们要去做的。你们知道,生命能量从你们身上发出来。你们在发送生命能量,这是你们知道的。这意味着你们就像从大地之母的子宫抛出的神祇那样,一座大的寺庙平地而起,成千上万的人前去敬拜。他们说,这是一个Jagrut Devata的寺庙,“Jagrut”意思是开悟的,觉醒的,其实那只是一块石头,一块拔地而起的石头,人们在它上面建起一座寺庙,然后去那里敬拜它。现在,很多很多的觉醒的(Jagrut),自觉的灵,已经坐在这里了,都是活生生的,可移动的,他们有理解力,能娴熟操控。

石头只会散发出生命能量来洁净气场,但你们可以提升灵量。石头不能提升灵量,你们可以。对于灵量,你们在做什么?你们得到了如此宝贵的东西,对于它,你们在做什么?是不是因为灵量无关乎利益,所以我们如此缓慢地接受它?假如它是一项企业经营,那么每个人都会行动起来,对吗?我们必须改变理解的方式方法。神的奖赏是比任何企业经营所能给予你们的多一千倍。当祂祝福你们时,你们甚至没法用语言去感谢祂。祂会做到那个程度。我们是依靠祂,还是照旧?我们必须大大地改变自己,必须转化自己,进入一种新的思维方式。那是非常非常重要的。

我希望你们会思考我今天对你们所说的。不要过着一种不能带给你们任何幸福的生活。你们的朋友是霎哈嘉瑜伽士。改变你们的朋友。改变你们的生活方式。你们会享受更多。这是为了让你们去理解自己和霎哈嘉瑜伽的重要性。

除非它成为一项企业经营,否则没有人会认真对待它。这是西方的思维方式,它必须——这到底是骗人的还是真正的企业经营,都不重要,只要是金钱交易,大家都会行动起来。但是,当提到霎哈嘉瑜伽,他们就会没有时间,甚至连冥想也没有时间。因为我们还没有爱,我们还没有在内在感受到那种爱。我希望你们都能感受到那种爱的深度。然后,你们就会为了自己和他人全力以赴行动起来。

I would like to have some questions from you, Sahaj Yogis, if possible. But somebody should try to give him, he can get it in no time, Realisation.

Is there any question? Ask me – anything practical. Because we have very few new people today, we can just have a very nice chat.

Lady: Would you explain to me about sometimes, when people say if you put your legs out like that it’s just not good and you should have them underneath– what’s wrong? I mean if it’s not a sexual tantalisation or something, what’s wrong with having your legs just stretching out in front of you?

Shri Mataji: In front of me? Will you do to the Queen?

Lady: No, no, I’m sorry.

Shri Mataji: No, no, what I am saying, will you do to the Queen of England?

Lady: No, no. If you are alone, now what happens?

Shri Mataji: Hum?

Lady: I don’t mean if somebody’s there.

Shri Mataji: Before my photograph? Will you spit at?

Lady: When you sit to meditate.

Shri Mataji: No, no, what I’m saying if your Queen’s photograph is there, will you spit at her?

Lady: Is that a spit?

Shri Mataji: Yes, it is! It is an insult. Putting your feet towards somebody is an insult. Is a common thing!

Lady: Is it only a custom in India?

Shri Mataji: No, no, it is a custom everywhere in the whole world. You have lost all your traditions, doesn’t mean that there were no such traditions of putting away feet on somebody. Imagine, somebody coming down to see you, somebody whom you have to respect, you put your feet up? I mean, anybody can understand, even a child understands this.

You see the sense of our respect has come to us from inside, not from outside. It’s not rationality. It has come to us from our unconscious. We know how we respect.

Say somebody would say that, “What’s wrong in talking like this to someone?” You see, supposing somebody says, now you know that, even a child knows, if he is talking to elders, he’ll put down his head.

But here, you see everybody is so abnormal. You don’t know how to do everything because everything is rationalised, you see. Tomorrow, you might say, “What’s wrong if I stand on my head?” I mean, “Do it”, but that’s not the way. There are certain normal ways of protocol, of praying. How do you pray in the church? Imagine, in the church you go and sit with both your feet towards the priest. What will he say? “Put down your feet!”

These things are innate within us. Human beings know already lots of things.

They are not animals. They know lots of things already. You don’t know how many things are built in you. In a very beautiful way in your understanding, as a human being, you know so many things. Nowhere in the world you’ll find anybody putting up their feet before anyone whom you respect. It’s not a sign of respect.

There’s no question of India or anything. Only thing in India, people have yet preserved all their sense of respect. In other places, they have so rationalised and so ego-oriented that they have no respect for anyone whatsoever.

Lady: You take it only as a sign of respect. Supposing that somebody is sitting alone and they don’t have Your picture or they don’t have anything, is it all right to stretch their legs?

Shri Mataji: Then it’s all right. I mean, you see it is.

Lady: Somebody said that if you put your legs out it’s creating some bad energy or something. That’s why I wanted to check.

Shri Mataji: No, no not that way, not losing energy. I was just thinking about stretching the feet before somebody whom you respect.

Say, my Photograph is there or I am there. Now, you respect me. Isn’t it? Then you will not like to sit with the feet. That’s what I’m trying to say.

But, you see, losing energy and all that is not there at all. Who told you that? That’s not. You sleep like that. You don’t sleep with the feet on the ground. How can it be? If anybody says that, you should not take it for granted. You see I think all this is not so important also. Even you sleep, how do you sleep? I mean, it is so simple and natural.

You know this is what’s happening with rationality. See, very simple things become so funny that you, I don’t know what to say. That’s why I said a horn will be growing from here, all of you intellectuals. You’ll be having a big horn coming out so people will know, “All right, all right, we know these people.” Nobody will face them.

You see, this so simple. Because you are so complicated, all simple things look so horrid. Is a question of respect and is a question of – if you are sleeping, of course you stretch your feet like that, straight. It’s all right. While you sit down, you can sit like that, there’s no harm. You need not be cross-legged all the time. It’s not necessary. If you are doing some sort of a exercise or something, you can be like that.

But everything, now say, for example, you have got hands. Now this is for many purposes, all right? It is for taking vibrations, it is for eating, it is for scratching.

Now, if you are eating at that time if you want to scratch, now what to do? It’s a question like that. See whatever you have to do, you do at that right time, with the way you want to do. If you need your feet for something – running, you should run. When you have to sit down, you should sit down. When you have to sleep you must sleep. I mean this is normal.

Sahaj Yogis does not mean that you should cut your noses. No, it doesn’t mean that. It means you have to be more beautiful. It doesn’t matter, you see even if you bend ten times, but it does matter if you pull back yourself, even once. Doesn’t matter, to be humble, to be more humble and more humble, is so sweet and good. You see, makes you more cultured, more harmonious and beautiful.

Man: I have a problem.

Shri Mataji: What’s it?

Man: I’ve been, in my humble way, devoted myself, to the spiritual realisation of myself, I adopted meditation, I completely lost number of years. I realised that state in subtle awareness and I feel myself highly elevated from this material world, the feeling of bliss, absolute peace, happiness and joy. And, I see the Spirit which I construct upon in a very glorious, boarded way, in a boarded, shut boarded way.

That state continues for some time, but doesn’t stay for a long time, for a long number of days. After a short time again I find I come down. And this goes like a curve, and when I find that from the height I have come down, I feel a little disturbed, why it is happening.

And, I have found that the more I detach myself from my family, from my work, from my friends, from other things, the lighter I feel and the greater number of peace I get from meditation.

Now, the trouble is this. About one year ago, when I would see a beautiful girl, a beautiful lady, I would remain restless perhaps for two days, three days or something like that. When I learnt about Patanjali’s yoga –

Shri Mataji: What yoga is this?

Man: Beg Your pardon?

Shri Mataji: What yoga are you doing?

Man: Now, I’m just saying that now, I’m perfectly all right.

Shri Mataji: What was that you did? What yoga did you do?

Man: Well, as a matter of fact, I’m not following any yoga as such but I have studied Patanjali.

Shri Mataji: Patanjali, all right.

Man: And, then when I met … Now the concern is this: that attraction which I used to have some time back is eliminated. But still, I do find a stern will within myself, to maintain that state of mind which gives me lot of bliss, for that moment it disappears, and then again I revert to that. That is my personal problem. I think I’ve tried to be very open.

Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that’s correct. All right. Now, the first thing is what chakras are catching?

Man: Left Swadishthana.

Shri Mataji: That’s it.

Now see, to do Patanjali was a mistake in the very beginning. As a Mother, I must tell you frankly, all right? Because Patanjali cannot be done unless and until you have some realised guru behind it. If you start doing it, it is unauthorised, you see. It is an unauthorised thing to do.

Like, supposing I am not a policeman and I start behaving like a policeman, I’ll be arrested. In the same way, you did it in an unauthorised way. By doing in an unauthorised way you have started in the wrong direction altogether. The direction was wrong. And the bliss and all that you get it, is not the bliss that we are talking about.

That’s a bliss one gets when you shirk responsibility, you can get it. You see, if you can get out of your family and children and all that, one can feel blissful if he thinks that it is having a sort of a pressure on you or a kind of attachment or something.

But in Sahaj Yoga what happens is that you become a personality when you are in the drama but you are just seeing it. You become a sakshi (witness). That should happen. That’s the reality. That’s how it should happen. Once it happens to you, then you will just start seeing the whole thing as a drama.

Man: Yes.

Shri Mataji: You understand?

Shri Mataji: What is he saying?

Sahaja Yogi: He feels a slight cool breeze.

Shri Mataji: He is getting. Yes, he is a realised-soul. Yes, he got Realisation. He got it.

What about this gentleman here, in front of you Marcus?

Question: (inaudible)

Shri Mataji: So, it should happen in the most natural way, in a spontaneous way. And, God has given you that ankura which is called as Kundalini, which of course you know. Kabira and all these people have talked about.

But it is a Sahaj method, it just happens to you, with a realised-soul only. You cannot do it yourself. If you try to do it, you will be making a mistake. And that’s what has happened in you.

So now we have to completely sort of neutralise the effects of that. And then we’ll raise your Kundalini by which you’ll get your Realisation, by which, gradually you will get your vibrations, and you’ll start understanding. All right?

So, you just now forget about what you have done, and it’s going to work out. Then it’s a permanent thing.

What about his vibration Marcus?

Marcus: Vishuddhi.

Shri Mataji: Left or right?

You’ve got your Realisation is it? I’m asking him.

Other man: Yes.

Shri Mataji: Is it all right? There’s a catch on the left is it? Are you feeling something? You get what?

Other man: I have a slight pain on my leg.

Shri Mataji: Hmm.

Anybody who has any problems about chakras, anyone of the Sahaj Yogis, anybody who has any problem about their own chakras, please ask me. Because next time we’ll be having lots of people here, then we won’t be able to talk, so better ask me about it.

Dinesh what is your problem?

Dinesh: My problem? Hmm.

Shri Mataji: Agnya. I can see that clearly, from here. You have to forgive people. Do you understand that? Forgive, and forgive.

What about her vibrations? Now just see.

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Shri Mataji: You have not been?

Seeker: I have not been here very much.

Shri Mataji: All right. But have you been practicing?

Seeker: I’ve practiced and I stopped practicing for a while.

Shri Mataji: Why?

Seeker: Hmm.

Shri Mataji: Now, what have you been practicing? Did you take vibrations and did you cleanse yourself?

Seeker: No (Inaudible) I didn’t take footsoaks.

Shri Mataji: Foot bath.

Seeker: I didn’t know when to use …

Shri Mataji: Any time. Evening is better. So, what is it then?

Seeker: Sorry?

Shri Mataji: What? You are not feeling anything in your hand?

Seeker: No. (Inaudible.)

Shri Mataji: In which fingers are you feeling the tingling?

Seeker: In most of them.

Shri Mataji: Most of them? Oh, God! (laughing) So, where have you been before coming to me? To what group you have been?

Seeker: I go to Zen.

Shri Mataji: What does he do?

Seeker: He taught us seeing into your original face.

Shri Mataji: What does he say?

Seeker: Look to your original face. That’s Zen.

Shri Mataji: Zen.

Seeker: Yes.

Shri Mataji: But he is not a realised-soul. You see, this is Zen, what else I am teaching here? Do you realise? Sahaj Yoga is nothing else but Zen, simple Zen!

Unless and until you are realised, how are you going to see into the original? How are you going to penetrate into that? This is simple Zen I’m telling.

So, what is he doing here, your friend? He has got a class or something?

Seeker: No. He’s just a friend. He writes and teaches us things.

Shri Mataji: What’s the use of writing without understanding? You cannot copy Zen, you have to be there.

See, there were only twenty-six kashyapas in the sixth centuries there – ‘kashyapas’ means realised-souls – in the Zen system, so far. And now we have so many of them here. So, this is Zen, nothing else but Zen. You must understand.

You tell him to come and see me sometimes. You see, this is all artificial, you cannot copy people. You have to get it; you understand my point?

Seeker: But I’m not sure. (Inaudible) I have problems.

Shri Mataji: What is it?

Seeker: One time I was in hospital, for several times.

Shri Mataji: Yes. You have been.

Seeker: Yes.

Shri Mataji: No, that’s true, but what I’m saying is that, for that, you should take your treatment. All right? We have some treatments here. Do you know what we give for that?

Seeker: (Inaudible).

Shri Mataji: Yes, did you bring that?

Seeker: I did yes.

Shri Mataji: You did once.

Seeker: Yes. I just had it two times.

Shri Mataji: All right. Now both the hands you are getting the tingling or one hand?

(Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi to a Sahaj Yogi and asks where is the tingling.)

Shri Mataji: It will be, gradually, it will be settling down. You see, it has to settle down within you.

He’s come with you, is it?

Sahaja Yogi: Yes. …

Shri Mataji: All right, just see his vibrations, you can see yourself. Left Side is very weak. All right.

Now what about you, both the hands or left hand?

Seeker: (Inaudible.)

Shri Mataji: Where?

Seeker: (Inaudible.)

Shri Mataji: Some are sitting here you see. (Shri Mataji is laughing.) Changing very fast.

Give a Realisation to the man who is in the corner there.

He is getting? He hasn’t got it yet?

Sahaja Yogini: No…

Shri Mataji: Ah? I never knew. Really? You’ve been to something, no? Come, let’s see! Come on my feet.