導師崇拜(節錄)
英國倫敦 1979年12月2日
一個月前，我告訴羅斯頓，這個星期天，你必須安排一個崇拜，星期天是月圓的日子，他問我做什麽崇拜，是做導師崇拜，摩訶拉希什米崇拜還是格涅沙崇拜，我告訴他，就稱這個崇拜為導師崇拜。之後，一段長時間後，他問我—當我要去印度—為何不也做聖誕崇拜？
今天是很重要的日子，因為很久以前，當耶穌還是小孩，祂閱讀經典，向大眾宣佈，祂是Advent(基督教的降臨節〔聖誕節前的四個星期〕)—祂是降世神祇，是救贖者。他們相信救贖者會降臨。今天，很久之後，在星期天，祂說，祂宣佈祂是救贖者。所以今天是降臨節的星期天。耶穌要活得很短很短，因此祂在很年青的時候，就要宣佈祂是Advent(降世神祇)。這是很不尋常的，在此之前，沒有降世神祇公開的說他們是降世神祇。當然，羅摩，祂忘記自己是降世神祇。某程度上，祂令自己忘記，令自已扮演幻象，完全變成人類—MaryadaPurushottama和克里希納也只告訴了一個人—亞周那—也只是要開戰才告訴他；亞伯拉罕從沒說他是降世神祇，雖然祂是原初導師達陀陀里耶，祂卻從沒說祂是原初導師。這三個力量，透過純真，來到地球，作出指引；摩西從來沒說…雖然祂知道自己偉大，祂能控制大自然，但祂從沒說祂是降世神祇。
在基督的年代，有人感到有需要說出來，不然人們不會明白。若那時候他們已經確認基督，就不會有任何問題。但人類仍要進一步進化。要有人超越宇宙大我的額輪來穿過那度門，基督因此降世。這是很令人驚訝，這棵生命之樹，當根發芽，幼芽生長樹枝，樹枝生長樹葉，同一棵樹，花朵在開放，知道根的人不想知道幼芽，知道幼芽的人不想確認花朵，這是典型人類的本性。
我從不談我自己，因為我感到人類已經到達自我的另一個面向，甚至比基督的時代更差。你可能把責任推在任何事物上，你可以說是工業革命，因為你離開大自然，不管你怎樣說，人類已經失去與實相任何的聯繫，他們認同於虛假。他們不可能接受這種了不起的實相，因此，我從未說過我自己一句—當然，直至有些聖人說有關我的事情，有些被鬼附的人也提及我。而人們開始奇怪，喚醒靈量這樣困難的事情，怎麽在瑪塔吉出現後，就能以這樣快速來提昇。
印度有一所廟宇，沒有人知道它的存在，他們發現當船到達某一個特定的位置，就會被拉扯向海岸，很難把船拉回大海，他們要用雙倍的力氣才能對抗這個引力，他們不知道，有某些東西在運作，他們以為有些地方出錯，以海的深度…但，很多船都很難避過這個引力，他們想找出原因，不管這些船發生了什麽。為何船隻會忽然被吸引向海岸，他們想找出原因。當他們走進森林裡，發現這所大廟宇，在廟宇上面，發現了一大堆巨大的磁石。
所以透過理性的解釋，人們知道重點，瑪塔吉必定是有些不尋常，經典上沒有寫下什麽關於這樣的降世神祇會降臨地球—祂只要看一眼，或即使想一想，就能提昇靈量。很多聖人遠離瘋狂的群眾，跑到森林裡，坐在喜瑪拉亞山上，他們全都知道。因為他們的知覺，已經到達某一層次，能讓他們明白。他們比你們更能明白，因為你們仍是孩子，剛出生，他們卻已是成人。
今天這個日子，我要宣佈是我要拯救人類，我是太初之母，是所有母親的母親，是太初的母親，是力量，是神的欲望，祂降生在這個地球，向地球，向這個創造，向人類賦予它的意義，我肯定透過我的愛、耐性和力量，會達成實現它。我一次又一次降世，但現在我以我完全的形相，完全的力量，降臨地球上，不謹為了救贖人類，亦不謹為了解放人類，而是要賜予他們…，他們的父親想賜予他們上天的國度、喜樂、極樂。
到目前為止，這些說話只說給霎哈嘉瑜伽士聽。今天是導師崇拜日，不是我的崇拜，而是你作為導師的崇拜。我因你作為導師而把油塗在你的頭上。今天我會告訴你，我已經賜予你什麽，你內在已經有什麽偉大的力量。
你們之中，有些人仍未…仍未確認我。我的宣佈將會在他們內在成就事情—確認。沒有確認，你看不到整齣戲劇，沒有這齣戲劇，你不會有信心，沒有信心，你不能成為導師，不能成為導師，你不能幫助人，不能幫助人，你不會快樂。因此，要拆散這一串鏈子是很容易的，你是要建立這一串鏈子，這是你要做的事情，你要一個接一個的建立這串鏈子。這是你們都想做的，因此，要有信心，要喜樂，要快樂，我會用我所有的力量來保護你，我的愛會滋潤你，我的本質會令你充滿和平和喜樂。
願神祝福你們！
the following was transcribed from an Mp3 recording of a tape in India]
Now I would like to give the books first of all. And then I’ll… about what you have got already within you. All weeping and crying should be over now. You have to wipe out the tears of others. Get out of your small shells and little problems, here and there.
First book, Kuli, can you give Me.
[inaudible words]
Where is the pen?
Yogi: …want a pen Mother?
Shri Mataji: I would like to write in Devalipi, because it’s a mantra, isn’t it? It has to be written in Devalipi your names, would be better than in English, though utility-wise English would be better, but from, from Sahaj Yoga point of view, I think, if I write in Devalipi it would be better and you will know it is your name.
So the first book. “Advent!” – by which we declare, the advent of your Mother, your own, very own Mother. Today, I would like to give to Gregoire, who has really worked very hard to write this book, and, I have tortured his life… and also Gavin, Jane, who have helped him such a lot, and Maureen who has helped him to type and read My funny handwriting which had mutilated all previous writings of Gregoire [Mother chuckles]. We have had a very nice time together, and now the book is ready. We should also be very thankful to Indian Sahaja Yogis, for giving all their assistance, to Gregoire, for the publication of this book. They have given the money and all the assistance. There are so many people who are to be thanked, but actually this is your own book. And the most important person whom you should thank is [unclear: WULEE?], or, Tony as you call him, because, he has taken the photograph, which turned out to be the best among all. He’s not a photographer, by chance he had taken a photograph, it’s such a sahaja photograph. And everybody said that this photograph should be… there. And everybody, not feeling jealous of anyone, have very sensibly behaved that the book should come out; and the involvement that everyone had; and they all helped…
Even the coming of book was so sahaja, that, first it would not come. It has come at a time when we needed it the most: it should not have come earlier, because we wanted advent date for this book. And, the coming of it was that, the ship people told Me that the books have arrived… and you have to collect the books, and we have to take all… customs clearance and all that. But then they told Me that surprisingly, the customs people did not ask anything; they did not even open the boxes; they didn’t want to know anything what was inside. They were all quite surprised. Normally, even if you say books they open it and see for themselves whether there are books or not, maybe something else coming in. And there was a niece of mine, who was there, who telephoned to us – that also spontaneously – and I told her such books are lying with such people, and just they arrived – it was that simple. And they t…
[Mp3 no.1 sound cuts off]
[Mp3 no.2:]
Should I write it here, or here Gregoire?. Here would…
This is the cover, I would like – just show them – to give to Gregoire, just show round, with the peacocks. Peacock is the… is the vahana of Saraswati.
Actually it is kept the other way round, you see?
Sahaja Yogi[softly]: I think…
Shri Mataji: Beg pardon, what is it?
Sahaja Yogi: [CHRIS?] was trying to explain what Shri Kartikeya was like.
Other Sahaja Yogi: He was just like Gregoire. [laughter].
Shri Mataji: Actually books are always done this way, you know? You can do it on the ground would be better. This way, and then is covered like that, you see? It’s always books are done.
Sahaja Yogi: Mother this way?
Shri Mataji: It’s on this way it comes up. See? So, they are kept. Hm, I think then they go round. Ya and, this is brought in… that side.. this way, and the pin must be put here or some sort of a thing. Actually they have a ribbon with it, attached, when they tie it up the book like that. This is called as grantha, you see, the one which is tied, grantha.All these books must be kept, tied in a proper cloth, in this way. And before opening the book you must wash your hands – properly. It should not be kept in every place you feel like: must be kept in proper places. And the due protocol of the book must be kept. It is very important.Which are the names? Which are the people?
Rustom: Gavin, your copy.
Shri Mataji: What is it?
Sahaja Yogi: We had to copy the […indistinct]
Shri Mataji: Alright. So to Jane, to… second to Rustom…
Rustom [interupting]: …Walter
Shri Mataji: Ah? [pause] This is the Guru Puja, I’m doing. [pause] Jane? There you go. Now I’m doing your one.
I’ll use it.
All of you must have your individual copies. That is very important. And as everybody has different vibrations, it must be treated with the same understanding that, you all should have your individual thing with you.
[Mother writes the names of all the Yogis in Devnagari in their copies of the books]
Let Me just finish the work, alright?
So now… Tony? What should I write? Tony or Kuli?
Tony: Tony
Shri Mataji: What’s your real name?
Tony: Antonacis
Shri Mataji: Anthony. Anthony. Anth…?
Tony: Antonacis
Shri Mataji: Anta….
Tony: An-to-na-cis
Shri Mataji: Antonacis. -nakir, “r” is there? Nakir?
Tony: Ess. Nakis
Shri Mataji: N-a-k-i-s. Antonakis
Sahaja Yogini: that means live [LAND UPON?…unclear]
Shri Mataji: Yes I knew you had another… An…to…naa…kis, nakis.
Tony: Anto…
Shri Mataji: Antonakis
Tony: Yes Mam
Rustom: N, A, I…
Shri Mataji: N, A, I, Naikis
Tony: No. An-to-na-kis
Maria: N, A, K, I, S.
Shri Mataji: Oh. Antonakis
Sahaja Yogi: Antonakis
Sahaja Yogi: So at last we got the truth here. [laughter]
Shri Mataji: Keece or Kiss
Tony: Kis
Shri Mataji: tokis. [long pause] Now, you must know the meanings of this:
“To My beloved son Antonakis
With love
My blessings
Ma Nirmala
Now, who else? Tell Me the names now.
Sahaja Yogi: Barbara.
Shri Mataji: and Mark [long pause] May God bless you. Now. Maria. That’s your real name, Maria? Full name?
Maria: And the only one.
Shri Mataji: Only Maria. [pause] Go sit down. May God bless you.
Sahaja Yogi: David Spiro
Shri Mataji: David Spiro. [pause] [Mother asks in Hindi about the Surname being “Spiral?”]
Rustom: Spi-ro
Shri Mataji [while writing]: Spi-ro. Spiro. [pause] May God bless you
Rustom: Malcolm Mother. Malcolm.
Shri Mataji: Malcolm. Ma-la-kom
Rustom: Mal-kom
Shri Mataji: Malkom. [pause]
Rustom: Patricia
Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Patreeshia, Patricia
Rustom: Patricia
Shri Mataji: Patrisia
Rustom: Pa’tricia
Shri Mataji: ta?
Rustom: Ta
Shri Mataji: Patrisia, Patrisia.
Sahaja Yogini[softly]: C, I, A.
Shri Mataji: But it is TRa [rolled “R”] or Tra [soft “r”]
Rustom: Its TRa
Shri Mataji: Tee – Are – but you see in Hindi we have two.
Rustom: Tra
Shri Mataji: PatRi, PatRisia, is correct? Patrici… Patricia, Patricia. [long pause] May God bless you.
Rustom: Hester.
Shri Mataji: Hm? Hester. It is… Hé-sta?
Rustom: Hester.
Sahaja Yogi: Hesta
Shri Mataji: Hestaa
Sahaja Yogi: Hesta. With an “a” no “r”.
Shri Mataji: Hesta
Yogi: H, E S, T A.
Shri Mataji: Tee. Ha?
Yogi: A
Shri Mataji: “T” Hesta,
Yogi: Hesta.
Rustom: Short “A.”
Shri Mataji: Hesta. [pause]. Hesta, May God bless you.
May God bless you. Now.
Sahaja Yogi: Harry.
Shri Mataji: hm?
Sahaja Yogi: Harry.
Rustom: Hare, is your name, ha?
Shri Mataji: Hari
Rustom: Hare
Yogi: Hari?
Hari: Hari Jairam
Shri Mataji: Hari Jairam [long pause] May God bless you.
Rustom: You, Peter.
Shri Mataji: P, E, T, E, R. [Hindi regarding pronunciation of Peter’s name] [pause]
May God bless you.
Rustom: Felicity.
Shri Mataji: Felicity.
Rustom: [Hindi] Usko apta hai Ma.
Shri Mataji: May God bless you.
Rustom: Philip… Philip
Philip: Spelt with one ell.
Shri Mataji: You have…?
Philip: Spelt with one ell.
Shri Mataji: What’s he say?
Rustom: [Hindi: about the spelling]
Shri Mataji: Philip.
Rustom: Philip.
Philip: P, H, I, L, I, P.
Shri Mataji: Philip. [pause] You can put some Music.
Rustom: Oh. Malcolm? Music.
Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Hm?
Rustom: Allan.
Shri Mataji: Allan.
Sahaja Yogis [recite mantras]: Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika, Adi Kundalini Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah.
Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Ganeshaya Namaha
…Keshavaya…
…Matavaya…
…Govindaya…
…Vaishnave…
…Madhuswadhanaya…
…Trivikramaya…
…Wavanaya…
…Shridharaya…
…Rishikeshaya…
…Padmanabhaya…
…Damodharaya…
…Sankarshanaya…
…Vasudevaya…
…Pradyomnaya…
…Anirudhaya…
…Purushottamaya…
…Adokshajaya…
…Narasimhaya…
…Achyutaya…
…Janardanaya…
…Upendraya…
…Haraye…
…Krishnaya…
…Virataya…
Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah
I’ll say the names of all the deities of the Kundalini.
Shri Mataji: Now you pay attention to those deities within your Kundalini. You can sit down. And just pay attention: you know where are the… which are the deities on what chakras are.
Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Ganeshaya Namaha
…Nirmalgauri kundalini mataya…
…Saraswatibrahmadevaya…
…Hasratali Fatima mataya…
…Adigurudattatreyaya…
…Abraham…
…Moses…
…Zaratustraya…
…Mohammed Sahibaya…
…Confuciusaya…
…Laotzeaya…
…Sainathaya…
…Raja Janakaya…
…GuruNanakaya…
…Socrates…
…Avidut Adiraataya…
…Lakshmi Narayana…
…Gruhalakshmishaktimataya…
…Durga-jagadamba-mataya…
…Shiva-parvatimataya…
…Karuna rasa sagaraya…
…Daya sagaraya…
…Kshama shrayini…
…Atman paramatman…
…Kshetragnya…
…Sitarama maryada purushottamaya…
…Vishnugranthi vibhedini shakti mataya…
…Radha Krishna purnavataraya…
…Yeshoda Rukmini vithalaya…
…Vishnumaya…
…Lalita chakra swaminishakti…
…Shri chakra swaminishakti…
…Virataya viratanganaya…
…Hamsa chakra swaminishakti…
…Pranavaya…
…Omkaaraya…
…Kartikeyaya…
…Mahaganeshaya…
…Mahaviraya…
…Gautambuddhaya…
…Swaprakashaya mary and jesus…
…Mahakali Shakti bhairavaya…
…Mahashankaraya…
…Mahasaraswati Shakti hanumantaya…
…Mahabrahmadevaya…
…Mahalakshmi Shakti mahavishnuve…
…Ekadashaya Shakti rudraya…
…Rudra granthi vibhedini Shakti mataya…
…Sahasrara swamini moksha [pra]dayini nishkalankaya mahamaya Mataji Shri Nirmala devi…
…Ardabindu Shakti mataya…
…Bindu Shakti mataya…
…Valaya Shakti mataya…
…Sadashiva adishakti mataya…
…Parambrahman…
Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah
Shri Mataji: You did not say Vishnu mantra.
Rustom: I said [unclear]
Shri Mataji: You said Mahavishnu….it’s alright. When you say Vishnu Shesha also you can say where the Nabhi is then say Vishnu Lakshmi and Surya Chandra. See they are also chakras, Surya Chandra. So the Ida Pingala Nadi Shakti you can also say, so that [unclear] …it now…[unclear].
Rustom: Om twam sakshat Shri Lakshmi Narayana Sheshaya Namaha
…Surya Chakra Swamini Shakti…
…Chandra Chakra Swamini Shakti…
Shri Mataji: See? How it’s… [unclear] You see? You can say Chandra Mandal Madhyastha. Surya Mandal Madyastha. Means this superego and supraego.
Rustom: In the… they say Bhanu Mandal Madhyastha
Shri Mataji: hm. Bhanu Mandal…
Rustom: OK. Om twameva sakshat Shri Chandra Mandala Madhyasthaya Namaha
Om twam sakshat shri bhanu Mandala Madyasthaya namaha
Shri Mataji: [Hindi about Ida and Pingala] Ida and Pingala bolo.
Rustom: Om twameva sakshat Shri Ida Nadi Swamini Shakti Namaha
Om twam sakshat Shri Pingala Nadi swamini Shakti Namaha
Shri Mataji: Sushumna Nadi.
Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sushumna Nadi Swamini Shakti Namaha.
Shri Mataji: That’s better. [inaudible] Much better now?
Rustom: There’s also Sarva Ida Granthi Vibhedini Shakti.
Shri Mataji: Oh. Ida Granthi Vibhedini is good.
Rustom: Om twameva sakshat shri Sarva Ida Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Mataya Namaha
Shri Mataji: hm.
Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sarva Pingala Nadi Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Namaha.
Shri Mataji: hm.
Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sarva Sahasrara [sic] Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Namaha
Shri Mataji: Sushumna Nadi
Rustom: Om twameva sakshat shri Sarva Sushumna Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Namaha.
Om Shri Mahaganapataye Namaha, Shri Saraswati Mataya…
錫呂.瑪塔吉︰在做任何崇拜前，要做格涅沙崇拜，因為最先的是神聖…是純真。因此，在做任何敬拜前，我們先要建立我們內在的神聖…或內在的純真。你要敬拜你內在的純真，因此，一切都要放下…放下外在的一切。
Rustom: Om Shri Mahaganapataye Namaha
Shri Saraswati Mataya Namaha
Shri gurubhyo namaha
Vedpurushaya Namaha
Aishtadevataya Namaha
Kuladevata bhyo namaha
[someone coughs]…eksthaanadevata bhyo namaha
Shachipuram dharabhyam namaha
Kalka parashurame Bhyo namaha
Matru pritru byam namaha
Adityadi nava graha devta bhyo namaha
Sarve bhyo deve bhyo namaha
Sarve bhyo brahmane bhyo namaha
Etat karan pradam devata bhyo namaha
Avi ghanam astu…
Shri Mataji: You’re not registering. Can you make it loud speaker? …the loudspeaker. You see because you can’t make…[unclear] You see?
Rustom: [Hindi] I’ll put it in here. It’s ok I’ll put it in my lap.
Shri Ma Bhagavato, Mahapurushasya, Vishnu Agnya Parvartam Mansya Adi Brahmano Dvitiya Parabe Vishnu Pade, Shri Shwetvarakalpe Vayvaswat Manvantare Englandeshe, Europekhande, Londonnagare, Thamesnadiye, Uttaratire Kaliyuge Kalipratamcharine, Ash…
Shri Mataji: Listen to it carefully, now…
Rustom: Ashtavinsha…
Shri Mataji:…See now see now what is it. It is localizing the point, you see? Now, now say again. Carefully.
Rustom: Kalki Avatare, shalivahan shake. vaganvartamane, anand twam sarvantsare…
Shri Mataji: Savatsare
Rustom: Sarvantsare. Hema rutu… Don’t know what Mase, Mataji, can’t find that.
Shri Mataji: Mase is… [Marathi question: Kun sa Mase wa?]
[yogi answers in Marathi]
Shri Mataji: [Marathi: BHAIDRABAD?]
Rustom: Bhadramase
Marathi Yogi: [MAAG, MAAG..unclear].
Shri Mataji: Hm? Maag.
Rustom: Maag, Maagmase, shuklpaash…
Shri Mataji: Pakshe
Rustom: Pakshe. [Hindi meaning “Mother, what is the “Tita”: KYA TITA MATAJI? KYA TITU? ]
Shri Mataji: Ti tau ayes purnima.[Hindi meaning “the tita is Full Moon.]
Rustom: [Hindi: meaning good/ok:] Acha. [Sanskrit:] Purnima titau… Madhu yavasare, Aadidya divas dhanuvaasare, nakshatre, vishnu yoge, vishnu…
Shri Mataji: Kshatra, nakshatre ye to du.
Rustom: Ah, pit dhanu bha
Shri Mataji: Dhanu.
Rustom: Dhanu, ah, dhanu, dhadu… ah
Shri Mataji: This is Sagittarius.
Rustom: Sagittarius.
Shri Mataji: See, we are putting the whole thing, where are we having the puja, you see? so you have to find the location and complete that in London, where the River Thames flows, and in the south…
Rustom: In the north.
Shri Mataji: Or, in the north of London, and then at this time. And… what is the era, and what is the month; what is the year; and what is the constellation, is Sagittarius. and what is the titi is the… today is the full moon day… Like that, you see the complete location is being said.
Rustom: Acha
Shri Mataji: This is to, inform the Gods.
Rustom: Vishnu yoge, vishnu karane, London-ashramastite, vertamam chandrastite, Shri Surya Stite, Devgura shesha, shivgrahe shivyatav ata rashishtaan-stite, shiv-satsu-evam guna visheshan na visheshtayam shubha punya titaau.
Now we say… make a vow, so you have to repeat this after Me.
Shri Mataji: Yes, you all have to repeat.
Rustom: [after each name the Yogis repeat:] Mama… aatmana… sarvadharmaash… shastrakla… falapratyartang… aasmakang… sarveshang… sahajyogi-kutambanam… kshem… starya… vijaya… abhaya… ayu… arogya… aishwarya… abhivrudyatam… dwipada… chaturpad… sahitanang… … shantyartang… punyatang… pustyatang… tushtyatyang… samastha… mangalavapyade… samasta… abyudayartang… paramchaitanyang… prapyatang… samasta-sakal-sahajyoginam… baadas-shantyatang… eshtakamsam… siddhyatang… kalpuktafalang… aavapyatang… yatashaktya… yata-gyanang… yata-militog-chadravay… dhyaanavahang… madi-shokoktchar… pujam… karishye…
[MP3 no.2 ends]
What have you got and what are your powers?
[Puja seems to be underway. Shri Mataji is talking with the yogis.]
If you say the mantra “You are the Mahat Ahankara.” Mahat means the primordial, the big and Ahankara is the Ego. It goes out. Just say that.
Sahaja Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Mahat Ahamkara Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bagavati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha.
Shri Mataji: Receding back, hm?…Just settle down. Hm! Now receding, that’s much better.
Sahaja Yogi: Where’s the Bowl the metal thing which was sent to be cleaned.
Shri Mataji: Better? Still. Quite a lot.
我們在談基督，祂安頓在這裡，控制我們的自我，消解我們的自我，談談祂，基督徒若認為自己是基督徒，就要完全沒有自我。我是說跟隨基督的人要沒有自我。實際上，霎哈嘉瑜伽士才是真正的猶太人，真正的基督徒，真正的印度教徒，真正的穆斯林，真正的錫克教徒，因為他們並不狂熱。
Rustom: Nabhi’s releasing.
Shri Mataji: Yes they are
[Rustom discusses in Hindi with Shri Mataji about doing a Mahalakshmi Puja]
Rustom: Gregoire do you want to do the Mahalakshmi Puja? Gregoire and Jane, Gavin, Tony.
Shri Mataji: [… GO DO IT?] all of them.
Sahaja Yogi: It’s [DEBRA?]
Shri Mataji: Lets see
Sahaja Yogi: Maureen?
Rustom: All the people who did the book Mother, I thought I would get to do the Puja
Shri Mataji: No-no-no…[noise on microphone]… as it is you have got the book as well as the Puja. Those who have got the book should not [two words unclear] who haven’t got it should.
Rustom: Not got it, but those who did the book Mother.
Shri Mataji: Oh did the book is a good idea. That’s a better idea. Alright…. I mean: I thought those who got the book. Those who did the book must, who else is there?
Various yogis: Maureen, Gregoire, Tony
Rustom: [Those are the people who did the book?] Who did the photograph?
Shri Mataji: Come along Tony, come along come
Sahaja Yogi: Ok Gregoire can you come along. [microphone moved]
Rustom: Om, Shri Maha…
Shri Mataji: What about your brother, Matt? [name not clear] He did the drawing.
Various yogis: Yes I thought of him Mother. Is he here? Patt?
[Rustom reads shlokas while Shri Mataji explains how to decorate kumkum on Her feet]
Shri Mataji: Put a line here. Put a line. Then, beyond the line you paint the whole thing. Now. Get two more unmarried. Hesta where are you? Yes come along. Now you boys are to go away. Let them come. Then you see the married will have to come – five of them – for My sari. Alright? Come along.
[Rustom continues.]
Shri Mataji: You draw a line, first of all. Here. Now you draw a line and you don’t go beyond that line. No no not. But with one finger,one finger. Now you can use another finger.
[Shloka comes to an end followed by 5 min of quiet while Mother’s feet are decorated]
Shri Mataji: Yes. It’s alright. Doesn’t have to look… Because we are going to put something now. Give one to them. …two sides it has got… That is mangalsutra. [necklace symbolic of a married lady] somebody, some married lady has to do that
Rustom: Jane
Shri Mataji: Jane.
You can open it. [referring to toe-ring]
Rustom: Margy you can open it, its just pressed apart. Pat. Ask Pat for the Garland.
Shri Mataji: You should, pull it down further with that finger. [3 words inaudible] This should be in front. You should see the thing coming… you see the ruby should come on this finger, it’s a double-sided one. That’s correct. Now this one, little down, press it a little.
Rustom: [unclear]
Shri Mataji: Call somebody who’s married. Sahndya, you can come along. Married women.
[Marathi words]
Sahaja Yogi: [inaudible]…hands…?
Shri Mataji: Hands? Married women will do My hands.
[Marathi]
Ya. Come along, come here.
[Marathi]
Like that.
[Marathi/Hindi]
Rustom: Towel. Pass me the towel. [Hindi]
Shri Mataji: [Marathi] You know how to do Swastik? [Marathi, directions for decoration of Hands] You see beyond this line, you have to put it on. With the right hand, with the right hand. All through. [Marathi] You draw the line like this Maria. Correct, now, you complete, you see, on the sides also. No-no: sides of the fingers.
Rustom: You see the whole finger must be red. So that no white can show up.
Shri Mataji: White, the white side of the finger. Backside. Frontside. Hm! See, how it’s improving, see? [Marathi] Good. Thank you. Like this [3 unclear words]. Is alright. Now. [Marathi]
Peggy? You come here. One more married lady is wanted. Peggy has to be there. Peggy come here. Six and seven? Yes come along. Pam is married too. How many here? You can put two and let Me also have two. Mary? Come along. Come, come, come. You have to put them together otherwise they’ll break there.
Sahaja Yogini: Put three?
Shri Mataji: Yes, in My hands.
Rustom: Just put one on each.
Shri Mataji: Press My hand. Good. Now, you sit down here. Yes. Put [unclear] red on My feet. Right? Come along, put some red one My feet. Right hand. With all your fingers, all your fingers, come now. Good. Rub it here. Now on… [unclear]… Better now? Both the hands.
Sahaja Yogini: Both the hands?
Shri Mataji: Yes. Good. May God Bless You. Is good. Come along. Both the hands. [unclear, sounds like YOU TWINKLE?] your fingers. Now. Half the [unclear]. [DO?] you make the line again. You see you are [CROSSING?] make the line. That’s it. Stick to the line. Alright. It’s good now. Now do this one, also. Take out, alright.
Feeling better now? Leave it here. Now, let’s see. Little hot. Hm?
Keep the line Hm? Alright. It’s better now! Hard, rub it hard, very hard. Rub it very hard with your hands like that.
How are you now. Alright. Keep the line now. This line must be re-[FORMED or DRAWN]. Alright, now, this one.
… Now everybody could not come, doesn’t matter, for everyone they are doing it. You must think it’s a symbolic thing, alright? So you do not differentiate. See if I touch something by My finger, I don’t say I touch it by finger, I say I touch it. Understand that? That’s how it is. ‘Cause everybody cannot do it: you need too much time. Now. Done. [HINDI WORDS] The girls who are left will just come along. All the girls first of all.
Rustom: Kumkum acha hoon [is the kumkum alright?]
Shri Mataji: [Hindi words] All the girls who are left, Felicity and others also. Anna come along. Come along Anna, you come along. All those who didn’t may go. Yes now, let them come along now. Those who have been here, come along all of you. Let them give one by one?
Rustom: Kumkum? Kumkum isn’t there. I’ll…
Shri Mataji: Take this, in your hand, alright? Now. You’ll give Me, out of…
Rustom etc: [Hindi]
Shri Mataji: For the lower portion…No, no, kumkum itself
Rustom: Where’s kajal. But kumkum we have Mataji.
Shri Mataji: Where it is?
Sahaja Yogi & yogini: There, somewhere there.
Shri Mataji: All here. [NAY?] there must be the lower portion of this also, that has got kumkum.
[soft talking. Shri Mataji directs the decorations of Kumkum & Kajal. Someone takes some Photos. Turmeric/Haldi is requested. ]
Shri Mataji: Put on the right hand only on the right hand…
…You have again gone to the previous condition. Get over it. It’s nothing serious. Is very simple. Now. Alright?…
[Marathi]
Let him go and get the books now. How many more?
Rustom: We shall need at least another thirty.
Sahaja Yogi: At least…
Shri Mataji: Bring the box, I think.
Sahaja Yogi: Eleven books here
Shri Mataji: If you take Marcus, take… bring the book….[UNCLEAR] he will take them back. Marcus, if you go with him you can bring it, but bring it fast, you see?
Marcus: Thank you, Mother.
[Marathi]
[END OF TAPE 1 SIDE A]
[TAPE 1 SIDE 2]
[Yogis sing Aarati Nirmala Mata, Saba Ko Dua, Maha Mantras (spoken), Lords Prayer, Allah Hu Akbar (x16)]
[microphone is moved]
…[OKIST AND?] everybody had such terrible colds, that I also got a little bit of it. So, that’s one thing, and, if you want I can write it down for you and you can copy it. So “how to cure colds and prevent colds [NEXT TIME or THAT’S…unclear]
Rustom: We can tape it Mataji.
Shri Mataji: I would say better to take [THEM AND BE COMFORTABLE?], alright?
So the thing that I want you really to know is what you have got and what are your powers, that is much more important. Now (has he come back, Peter? Not yet. [Hindi question to Rustom][noise on mike]…talk about it? Should I tell you? Now, Alright?
Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] [THE BEST KIND OF TECHNOLOGY?]
Shri Mataji: You can tape this. Sit-down sit-down sit-down sit-down sit-down. Ha. Mm.
前幾天我告訴你shambhavopaya和nishaktopaya，這是兩種方法…。第
一種方法是透過它你潔淨人—很少數人—你不停潔淨很少數人，他們的注意力因此得到完全的潔淨，他們的五大元素也得到潔淨…靈量因此昇起，人們得到自覺，這種方法稱為Shambhavopaya，透過這種方法，完全潔淨你的品格。另一種方法是Shaktopaya，不管你是什麽狀態，有
個力量(Shakti)提昇你的靈量，接著你只要好好潔淨就行。在霎哈嘉瑜伽，我們是採用第二種方法，因為沒時間採用Shambhavopaya，不可能用這種方法。
以Shaktopaya而言，人們通常…我們用的方法是Shaktipath，就是引發他們的力量，即Shakti(力量)，把力量投向另一個人身上，就像反映；或就如我們所說︰「光投射在我們身上。」因此，他們讓他們的力量，或他們靈量的力量投向其他靈量的力量，然後漸漸把它昇起。為了提昇靈量，人類卻用很費勁的方法。他們先挑選你︰你的靈量有什麽問題？他們會仔細檢查你的背景身世，看看你有怎樣的父母，檢查這檢查那，你有什麽夢想，他們把你徹查分析，還會找出你會染上那種疾病。例如，任何有眼疾的人，或鼻子出毛病，或喉嚨出毛病，或胃病和其他疾病，他們都會避免挑選這些人。你可以想像，有多少人能符合這種類別；他們也會找出你過那種生活，有那類父母。大多數是很年青的人才找導師，要求這種Shaakta—Nishaktipath。
現在，因為我，它變得很簡單，你也知道Shaktipath，你現在用的方法是Shaktipath，意思是把光投射向別人，Shakti是力量，path是投射出來。因此你的力量現在能投向任何人的靈量，令它昇起。這曾經是非常，非常困難才能做到。他們說只有Veetaraga的人，即已經克服所有raaga的人—raaga是執著依戀—他克服所有執著依戀，沒有執著，生命中毫無執著，那麽他就能提昇靈量。首先要有Deeksha，即主動權，你們已經有了。那天你來找我時，你已經取得Deeksha。你不知道…它是怎樣發生，很多事情發生在你身上，你並未意識到很多事情已經發生在你們身上。就Deeksha而言，你要明白，人已經擔起很重的擔子，我是說你要好好照顧你的導師，你要拿點水果或類似的物品給他，人們也給他金錢這種荒謬的東西，都不要緊，但是要給一些Dakshina，因為，看，導師要受到Chelas照顧。
不管如何，導師完全不會依戀你的財富，依戀任何你給予他的物品，照顧導師是Shishyas(門徒)的責任，因此要給一點點錢給導師。當然，他們現在濫用這些禮儀，因為導師也要有地方居住，要有居住的地方或一些物品，所以要給他一點錢，這些錢稱為Dakshina。整件事情現在被錯誤的理解，到達荒謬的程度，人們因為這種禮儀而成立了企業。導師要到達能提昇靈量的層次，這類導師是Veetaraga，即他沒有任何俗世的依戀執著，絶對不執著依戀，他的注意力已經很潔淨，完全沒有貪婪，不受任何誘惑，只剩下寛恕。這類人被視為Veetaraga。當他提昇靈量，靈量只會接受這種極之罕有的人的命令才會昇起。
首先，你已經取得作為導師的Deeksha，不用任何介紹，你已經取得Deeksha，也取得MahaDeeksha。首先是Deeksha，那麽什麽是MahaDeeksha？其二的MahaDeeksha是你被賜予一句口訣—只給你一個名號，不然，通常—這句口訣也被拿出來，因為，那個導師，若他知道…我是說這些導師連你什麽輪穴有阻塞也不知道，試想像！他們通常為你占星。「你這個時刻來找我吧。」例如︰「今天你來找我，你是什麽星座？你必定是有這樣的憂慮？你是出生在什麽Nakshatra(星座)？你父母是什麽名字？」這是很大的科學。他們通常A…B…C…D…開始數算，就像這樣，到達某一點，就找到一些字，什麽是第二個字，第三個字，像這樣，接著他們占卜，這是大的Shastra。占卜後就能找出你那個輪穴有阻塞，接著他們會給你一個名號，「好吧，例如給你羅摩這個名號。」你不停的唸誦「羅摩、羅摩。」直至你治好右心輪。這可能要花上兩年，三年，或許要花上兩世人，也或許一百世人，你不停唸誦同一句口訣︰「羅摩、羅摩、羅摩。」依據你的星座來為你占卜，你的家庭，房子，你的一切，直至到達你的輪穴有阻塞的某一點。例如你有四個輪穴有阻塞…因為，你要明白，不管他的星座預示你有什麽麻煩，是嗎？或你會有什麽麻煩—首先是肉身方面，他們透過你的Kundalee，即你的星座，知道你有什麽麻煩。例如你的胃出毛病，他們會四處尋找，找一句醫治胃的口訣，因為他們不能直接的查明—像科學家，科學家是怎樣查明事物。就如你看醫生︰他會把你的眼睛拿出來，好好清洗，再放回去，然後說︰你的雙眼妥當；接著他把你的牙齒拿出來，做一套假牙，把假牙塞進你的口腔說︰你的牙齒妥當；他把你的耳朵拿出來，加一些人造的東西，說它妥當；把你的心拿出來檢查，把另一顆心放進去，就像這樣。他們就是這樣做，因為他們在黑暗中分類。你們知道輪穴的知識，卻不知道什麽是輪穴的阻塞，所以你能想像，你已經取得這樣的Maha-Maha-Mahadiksha。你首先取得Deeksha︰那天你的靈量昇起就是Deeksha，接著你得到自覺。毫無疑問他們不能一口氣的說，只能懸掛在空中，每時每刻，倒掛在空中—就像晚上的蝙蝠，你明白嗎？接著他們會諮詢…其他事情…例如，他們會看你有那類朋友，那類人會吸引你，你有怎樣的品性，從而作出論斷。或許會給你另一句口訣，因為這些口訣，你長時間與他們一起坐著，每時每刻都唸誦這些口訣，因此沒有留意你其他的需要，而這是…當這些口訣發揮了效用，他們通常會這樣說︰「好吧，口訣現在對你是siddha。」意思是現在你可以運用這句口訣在別人身上，即你只能唸誦羅摩的口訣，試想像！
現在，你得到什麽？你已經得到自覺—對吧。自覺的意思是你取得唸誦那句口訣適合那個輪穴的完整知識，你可以創造自己的口訣，你也有能力知道那個輪穴需要幫助，亦取得提昇別人的靈量的力量；若靈量跌下來，你已經取得把靈量安放在頂輪和淨潔自己和別人的輪穴的力量；你已經取得力量，透過做班丹來穩固輪穴，保護自己免受負面力量的侵襲，你已經取得力量引導你的注意力到任何地方，從而知道誰人需要你的幫助；你已經取得力量去感覺集體出什麽問題。就像，倫敦出什麽問題？把你的雙手張開，倫敦出什麽問題？像這樣，法蘭？不要向著我，這是危險的。
Rustom: Left Heart very strong.
Shri Mataji: Left heart.
Sahaja Yogini: Right Heart.
Rustom: And Right Heart.
Shri Mataji: And Right Heart, that way, everything, but minimum left heart.
Sahaja Yogi: And Right Swadishthan.
Shri Mataji: Right Swadishthan.
右腹輪，你已經取得解讀的語言，你已經取得…當你說︰「左心輪」，這樣說，你並沒有傷害任何人。倫敦人左心輪有阻塞，什麽意思？意思是你違反神，對靈不感興趣，物質主義，自我中心，你不關心你的靈，想傷害你的靈，你是酒鬼，你用酒精來摧毀自己，這些話你全都不用說，只要說︰「你的左心輪有阻塞。」就可以了，你甚至不用說你要原諒什麽，只要把手這樣放，在左心輪請求所有倫敦人的寛恕，他們會得到寛恕—他們卻越喝越多酒，有很差的心臟。
因此，你已經取得這些力量，要提昇靈量，消除靈量的障礙。若有人的額輪有阻塞，導師不會潔淨他的額輪，因為他害怕自己的額輪也會受感染，所以他首先唸誦口訣，成為Siddha，Siddha是被證明的人—有效的。你每一句口訣都很有效用—你唸誦神祇的名號，你的口訣很有效，它已是Siddha。它就像你擁有的一個什麽都有的萬用包，你打開這個包，取得它。若任何人任何輪穴有阻塞，你只要唸誦口訣就行。你擁有所有口訣的知識，你知道它是什麽，你擁有所有知識，那些知識是那麽隱密，其他人是不知道的。即使你沒有唸誦名號，你指著…每個人都知道發生什麽，該往何處去，該說什麽。所以雖然它是秘密，你們之間卻有共識，你們是同類，互相了解。我們知道什麽是什麽，因此對自己，對別人沒有壞感覺。雖然我說你的EeGeeOh先生是很大，卻沒有人回擊我。基督的時代是不可能唸誦EeGeeOh的名號，現在你可以說，亦可以清楚的看到你的自我，你的超我，你的荒謬，這個，那個，你能清楚看到一切。
即使有人擁有力量，例如一個生來已有自覺的人，他不懂提昇靈量，除非他成為霎哈嘉瑜伽士，他不能提昇靈量。這些只想著自己的生來已有自覺的人，應知道自己要成為霎哈嘉瑜伽士，不然他們是不會有成效，不能成為Kriyavati—他們不能行動起來。
你內在已經取得所有，你已經擁有神祇的完整知識，你知道他們為何生氣，出什麽問題，他們因為那種罪孽而生氣。只要我說︰「不要犯下任何罪孽。」就這樣。你會問︰「什麽是罪孽？」若你說︰「不要犯下這種罪孽。」但現在卻不謹如此，你想玩把戲，就會這樣。這是…你的母親強迫你做班丹，若你喝酒，就會吐；若你做任何錯事，你的胃會不舒服，若你想逃避霎哈嘉瑜伽，你就要留下來，因為雖然你感覺不到它，但在你內在，已經感受到霎哈嘉瑜伽的魅力。
可是仍有一群人，雖然已有自覺，卻未留下來。兩者之間有何分別？很簡單，是「確認」。仍未確認我的人是不會受到祝福，他們只會繞圈子。確認是必須的。現在有些人，像…我要說，很好的例子是ShirdiSainath的門徒，現在他已經不在，他們相信他，現在他在哪裡？他們不相信在他們面前的降世神祇，卻只相信一些死去的人。他們相信羅摩，相信基督。大部分基督徒都有這個問題，他們甚至只會把我與基督聯繫上。若我不能把自己連上基督，他們就不來霎哈嘉瑜伽，又或他們只會把我聯繫上摩西，又或類似的人。你要活在當下，你不能把我概念化。你的概念是有限的，就如若你出生在這裡，就會是基督徒；若你出生在印度，就會是印度教徒；若你出生在中國，就會是中國人，你會有這樣的眼睛，你是怎麽樣也可以，因此，當你不認同，你立即知道…你並不認同，因為生命能量會停止。那群處於兩者之間的人—那些仍未完全安頓在霎哈嘉瑜伽，仍未完全獲授權的人，就是沒有確認我的人。有時他們卻為未有確認我而感到很自豪︰「我們仍未確認」。這是愚蠢的。
一旦你確認，你的生命能量立即開始流通。這群人是來自不同…我們可以說來自不同的導師，他們都有問題，當他們來霎哈嘉瑜伽，就得到自覺。我要說我很慷慨，不管他們的狀態如何，全都得到自覺。數天前有個妓女，她也得到自覺。霎哈嘉瑜伽給你一條很長的繩，若你恰當的拿到它，就不容易失去它。在來霎哈嘉瑜後，什麽會發生︰作為光，你開始看到自己的缺點，接著你想否定霎哈嘉瑜伽。有些人開始有點麻痺，有些人平常是妥當的，但當我在場，他們開始顫抖，開始有點扭曲。有些人一旦看到我，你也看過，他們變得熱起來，胃有點痛—因為，當你面對光，就開始面對自己，但你卻不想面對自己，主要的問題是那些在霎哈嘉瑜伽仍未穩定的人，他們不想面對自己。若他們面對自己，就能很快糾正自己。因為有光，你不會認同你的缺點，你是醫生，你擁有光，你運作，你也知道怎樣運作。你只要決定︰「我要面對自己，讓我看看我是誰。」這些缺點都會跑掉。你卻不想面對它，這就是為何有自覺的人都不想面對它。那些感受到涼風的人，他們沒想太多，因為若他們想太多，就要放棄自我，這個他們認同多年的自我。此外，他們要看看自己，他們說︰「不，我沒有感到好一點，我有麻痺，這事情在發生，我身體發麻刺痛，這是…我怎會這樣？它幫不了我，霎哈嘉瑜伽把我向後推。」他們開始責怪霎哈嘉瑜伽，而不是看到有些人得到改善。
你在責怪誰？你在責怪要拯救你的事物，你在責怪你的拯救者。最好是看看你的問題，你的缺點，迎上前。這樣做是對自己仁慈︰擺脫所有毒蛇、蝎子，所有毒物，所有圍繞你四周的東西，只要變得純真。光已經來了。在這光中，你應該開始看到什麽是實相，那麽你就能擺脫對錯誤的認同，建立對實相的認同，不然這是不能做到。你要學習面對自己，永遠都不論斷。有些人習慣論斷，即使是他的兒子，或他的兄弟，或他的妻子或丈夫，藉此你幫不到他們。這些負面的人會走在一起，通常兩個負面的人會走在一起，上演一齣戲劇。我很驚訝，這裡連工會也沒有。不然，我們會有「反瑪塔吉負面的人的工會」。我是說你是會面對這種情況，因為他們常常聯合一起，負面的人很有兄弟情誼，大的兄弟會。因為，你也看到，盜賊常常聯群結黨，他們互相很友好，保守所有秘密；只要有兩個好人聯合一起，整個世界都會改變。因此，你要明白，要接近正面的人，不然你不能發展霎哈嘉瑜伽。誰說負面的說話，你就不要接近他們。
在這個國家，有另一類人，因為明天你要成為導師，我在告訴你各種類型的人，他們不想面對自己，他們有很多途徑避免面對自己。其一是︰一旦他們有自覺，就開始分析；你給他們什麽，他們就分析。我是說在這個國家，他們以為自己可以分析一切。我不知這種想法從何而來，或許…來自科學家又或是心理學家，必定是…其他所謂智者—或許是這些人給他們這種想法︰一說到什麽︰因為這樣所以才這樣。我是說他們甚至沒有張開眼睛去看，你仍是小嬰兒，怎能什麽都分析？你開始分析一切。為何會有這種那種事情發生？一旦你開始分析，就失去一切…開始談論它，分析它。你要做的是去接收它，理解它，多多吸收它，好好體驗，不要找霎哈嘉瑜伽的缺點，只知道你的缺點只能透過霎哈嘉的愛來糾正。有些人甚至來找我︰「母親，你為何不這樣那樣做？」我想我很清楚我的工作，他們想教我怎樣做︰「你要這樣做，你要那樣做。」不管你有怎樣的做法，若某人是玩偶人(盒蓋開啟則小人跳出)，他會常常跳出來，因為這是他的本性。你要改變這種本性，「把你的彈簧鬆開一點，安頓下來。」彈簧代表分析的態度，你會遇到很多這樣的人。
所以該怎樣接觸這類人？我應對凡事分析的人是這樣的，你們就是要這樣應付這些人，聽清楚，你給某人自覺，對嗎？這個人感到手上有涼風，他開始說︰「那又怎樣！我感到涼風，那又怎樣？」你告訴他︰「你取得涼風，不是透過思考，對嗎？又或透過分析？」「不是。」「你從未有過這種感覺？」「從未。」「你現在已經有這種感覺…這是什麽？你解釋一下。」你不能解釋，這是超越你思考力量發生的事情，比你的思考更高的力量，你要明白，他們…他們認為無思無慮即他是瘋子，你明白嗎？若你談無思無慮的覺醒，他們以為…「噢！即是說你不思考，即是說你很容易…原始。」若你不思考，他們認為你很原始，它是透過一種力量發生，那種力量比你高得多，想想你做過什麽？透過思考…你切掉你的鼻子，你的眼睛，你的雙手，你切掉一切。現在你要有一場大戰爭，奇妙的思考。所以你告訴他們︰「透過思考，你永遠得不到它，這是一些更高的力量。」說說高層次的東西—是它給你這個。若你要身處更高的力量，你就要放下低層次的思考力量，他們就是這樣清醒過來。若你說︰「噢！不要想。」他們會說︰「什麽？不去想意思是想也不要去想，我是說這是一無是處。」這就是應付自大傲慢，常常思考，即使感到有涼風也不接受的人的方法。漸漸地，你就能幫助他們。
就導師而言，就如你現在那樣，你擁有所有知識，所有力量，擁有一切，我們還欠缺的是信心…我們內在有種惰性，我不知道怎樣擺脫這種惰性。你知道有時有惰性的人也有用途，把他們放進大砲裡，在馬戲班裡引爆，就能展示他們的功績。他們是那麽呆滯，沒什麽能騷擾他們。但你是我的孩子，我以耶穌基督、格涅沙的形象來創造你們，你們隨時可以運用祂們的力量。有時我也很失敗，我不知道怎樣去除你們的隋性，因為你仍未練習霎哈嘉瑜伽，仍未開始練習霎哈嘉瑜伽。你很容易，很便宜的得到自覺，因此，你不明白它的價值，只當它為旁枝，你知道嗎？你要律己，除非你能律己，我讓你有自由，因為我相信我孩子的自由，因為我認為他們不是低層次的類別，我要讓他們有自由，他們不應濫用自由。你是絶對自由。若你想進地獄，我會給你一部戰車，直通地獄；若你想進天堂，我會給你一部vimana—飛機，直飛天堂，這樣做是為了讓你變得有活力，有自信。
你知道每個輪穴，你知道靈量的提昇，你知道一切，擔起它吧！承擔起它的人，你要明白…我可以很生你們氣，很簡單，但我沒有，我要把工作完成，我要好好的與你說話，有時我也要責罵你們，我要求你們這樣那樣，你知道嗎？浸泡你們，有時放一點油，有時這樣那樣做，有時給你一點熱，有時給你一點冷，管理他們，不管如何，把他們帶來，對待他們就像他們是在這裡。同樣，你也要這樣對待他們，不要生他們氣，生氣是最容易，你要明白，接著就會出問題。有一次，我生你們氣，我自有我的平和，沒有問題。你真的要對他們所有人很有耐性，極之有耐性︰你的語氣…「請你」，「很抱歉」，你能說出很多這種語句，我想它們已經失去價值，我們必須發自內心，要從心感受到︰「我們要拯救這個人，要幫助他。」有時我們也責罵他，因為你發覺大部分負面的人都是最了不起，最愛挑剔的人，他們會創造最偉大的場境，最大的炫耀…所有這些有可能…。
每一個人︰「你能為霎哈嘉瑜伽做什麽。」把你能帶來的人列一張清單，只有那些到過教堂一次…在聖誕節—或許每個星期天會捐款，也有些妥當的人，可以帶來霎哈嘉瑜伽，安頓在後面，把他們安頓在後面可以是個擔子，除非我們前面擁有真正的力量。所以你要決定，你是否瑪塔吉的負擔︰「我們來這裡…我父親病了，我母親病了，我兄弟病了。」或「給我一份工作，為我做這事那事…我要有…。」這些事情都是一無事處，毫無用處。對我而言，這是絶對無用，沒有意義的。我只是不太想及他們。若現在你說︰「好吧，我樂意為你做這樣那樣的事情。」同樣，對其他人你也是這樣說︰「為何我還要在意這些事情？它為何這麽重要？你的人生要做些什麽？」當你開始這樣說話，你的智慧，你的偉大，你的一切都會得到讚賞。導師要知道自己力量的來源，他們要有正確的理想。他們應學習我，我怎樣與人交談，怎樣在知道他們阻塞得很厲害時，仍能表現得從容不在意…我從不會告訴他們︰「鬼附著你。」從不—直至他們的頭開搖動，他們絶對走得太遠，我從沒有個別的告訴他們。同樣，你也不應忽然告訴某人︰「鬼附著你。」因為這樣或許會令人感到失望沮喪。你們必須明白，任何唐突的，尖銳的說話都不會對他們有幫助。你要明白，導師的國度是不一樣的，要成為導師是不同的。你要極之溫柔，極之親切，不然這些瘋子會跑掉，會被摧毀，他們不知道自己是好人，你要告訴他們，他們是好人，你要親切的與他們說話，你要做一切，盡力而為，把他們帶來，你要這樣做。所以今天你們都要作出承諾，就是你們全是導師，因此你們要展示…你已經彰顯你的導師品質。當我回來，我想看到你們為此做了些什麽，你們全部人都要
開始做了。
願神祝福你們。
Shri Mataji : Any questions? Food can be served also… 有沒有問題？傳揚霎哈嘉瑜伽時，你會有問題。
瑜伽士︰母親，什麽東西是生來已有自覺的人有而我們沒有？另外，什麽是我們有而生來已有自覺的人沒有？
生來而有自覺的人是很久以前已有自覺，他們出生在這個生命前已經有自覺，所以他們潔淨得比你快得多，因為他們之前已經潔淨了，所以潔淨得佷快。通常他們不受吸引你的誘惑和墮落行為影響，他們是不同類型的人，很獨特，憤世嫉俗，因為他們出生後，發覺其他人與他們的行為背道而馳，他們不懂怎樣應對這些人，不懂怎樣與其他人相處，不懂怎樣處理這種狀況，因此變得憤世嫉俗，有自己的想法，或許這些生來有自覺的人會發展自我，發展很大的自我，他們通常不受誘惑—若他們接受誘惑，就會看到自己已在誘惑中。而你們對一事有很大的能耐，因為你知道自己有自覺，你在有意識下得到自覺。當你知道自覺，就看到什麽在發生，你因此知道它的價值。就如你生在富裕的家庭，就不會知道富裕的價值；若你不是生在富裕家庭，卻忽然擁有很多錢，你就能作出比較，知道有什麽分別。
同樣在霎哈嘉瑜伽，當你本來沒有自覺但之後得自覺，你就能比較。對霎哈嘉瑜伽士而言，自覺的價值比生來已有自覺的人大得多。有些有自覺的靈或許會明白，但他們比較個人主義，沒有你們那麽合群集體。其二，因為你這一生經歷過，在你的記憶裡有你做過的錯事…你對其他犯錯的人更慈悲，更體諒；而有自覺的人對這些人並沒有太大耐性，他們有自己處事的方式。若他們來霎哈嘉瑜伽，會是更有活力，更了不起，這是毋庸置疑，但他們不會那麽容易接受霎哈嘉瑜伽，因為他們以為自己是「妥當的，為何現在要接受什麽？」因為他們是滿足的人。除非他們學懂一些事情，不然他們是幫不了人類。就如一個人，他很聰明，很有才智，與生俱來很有才智，他不喜歡上學，就會錯過學校的一切︰學校的紀律，學校完整的知識。我是說他可能妥當，也頗聰明，但他卻沒
能恰當的學會只能從學校才學到的一切，除此之外，他缺乏同伴，與我為伴，因為我已經給你們自覺，所以你對我比他們對我更多感覺。
就如母親生下孩子，孩子沒有見過母親，他對他的母親沒有其他人對他們的母親的感覺，所以這是你取得最了不起的東西。若生來已有自覺的人依附著霎哈嘉瑜伽，他們也會發展同樣的感覺，喜樂油然而生，因為你(譯按︰指生來已有自覺的人)開始看到你的母親怎樣每時每刻照顧你，她怎樣創造戲劇，創造魔法。因為不是我給你自覺，所以你忘記母親，你忘記她…你以為︰「噢！我已有自覺。」你有類似的想法。
有沒有其他問題？
瑜伽士︰這可能是個愚蠢的問題，自覺是否會失去，當我已經有自覺，我會否失去它？
瑪塔吉︰這不是蠢問題，絶對不是。你要明白，就像這樣︰當你成為人類，你生而為人的小孩，對嗎？若把這個小孩放進狐羣裡，孩子就會像狐狸般長大，他沒有人類的意識，只有狐狸的意識，但身體仍是個小孩。同樣，一旦你有自覺，你就跳進超級人類的意識，若你不容許它恰當的生長，它仍會生長，也必須生長，不然它不會彰顯出來。這就是為何會失去自覺，某程度上，你要一次又一次重生，它會迎上來。很多人已經失去它，才智？大問題，我也不知道，因為我從不知道有這種蠢人。我只在我這一世看到這種愚蠢、白痴的人。已經有自覺的人也不明白自覺的價值，你會否隨時都想起這類人。
自覺也會失去…有自覺後，你不會有像喝很多酒的感覺，你想強迫自己
再次做壞人，靈量或許不會昇起，這就是為何雖然會打開…但靈量完全不會昇起，這是會發生的，我知道有很多人，我是說這是很新的事情，你知道嗎？在鬥爭期，一切都很有趣，這是最有趣的事情，真的，我很驚訝，我對人類感到很驚訝，他們得到自覺，來靜坐班，給十個人自覺，
之後卻回到從前，失去生命能量，這是頗為有趣，是嗎？鬥爭期創造了這種組合排列，無休止的，不可能理解他們。
這個問題絶不愚蠢，因為你看，愚蠢的人在這裡，他們以為自己能融入這裡，這是事實—很可悲—但是事實，它發生，這類人，我是說我不能想像這類人，我從未夢過會遇到這類人。我想︰「一旦我給他們自覺，他們都會成為霎哈嘉瑜伽士，很好…。」你知道，我在這裡，你有否看過任何果實成為花朵？哈！我是說，真的！我從不知道會有這種逆轉，人類透過他的自我也有這種逆轉，他們已經做到。你知道當蛋孵成小雞，小雞不能變回蛋，對嗎？但人類卻可以，我的孩子，他們都是蠢人。你說得對，這是事實，會失去自覺，他們很多人都失去自覺。所以你最好告訴他們，你看，這是唯一的方法…這樣做的好處是你能令他們害怕，你看︰「不要這樣做，不然你會失去自覺。」若他們在意，他們就會妥當。人類卻變得表面虛假，他們只是不在意，不大在意。你告訴他們︰「你不應這樣，這是錯的。」他們會說︰「我知道，我知道。」「那麽為何你還這樣做？」「我知道，我知道！」
現在，你知道什麽？你不知道怎樣與這類人交談，他們一些人快要進瘋人院，或許他們還未進瘋人院，我們要面對他們，他們一些人就像這樣，半笨蛋…令人害怕，你怎樣稱呼他們，各式各樣的稱呼。有一事你必須知道，那些騎著自我的人大多是愚蠢的大主教。若你要應付笨蛋，你不知道他們會做什麽。你看到笨蛋，你不知道他想怎樣，你怎能知道？對正常的人，這是很困難的。我曾經看過這種事情，他們看來很合情理，當他們走路，卻是笨蛋，你給他們一顆鑽石，告訴他們︰「這是鑽石，要好好看顧它。」他們會把鑽石抛掉，他們以為︰「噢！我毫不執著，我甚至對自己的自覺不感興趣。」或許他們以為這是個恰當的辯解。我不能解釋，但這是事實，不要緊，我會處理他們—一段時間後。他們是個難題，你知道嗎？他們很令人頭痛。所以首先嘗試簡單的字句，才用艱深的字句，要時常先用簡單的語句。
透過生命能量，你知道一切，你知道自己的位置和他們的位置。透過生命能量，你能測度你的成就，你能…我是說你知道自己的停泊處，我的意思是相對的位置，你知道一切，所以沒有問題，你知道很多。
Hm what other question? [Marathi word “wathaapini?”]
巴拿？「你在這裡。」巴拿在他其中一封信提到，有個男人要擁有三件事情。第一件稀有的事情是他要生而為人，這是很稀有的；其二是他要有遇見神的欲望；其三是他要找到一位好導師。這三種事情都已經發生了…(你已得到自覺)，那麽，我們在做什麽？這就是問題，我是說一切都已經發生，全在這裡！你該怎辦？你給予光，他們說我們…或許我已經開悟了你，那麽你該做什麽？給予光！就這樣！把你的燈保持清潔，發出光，就這樣，沒其他事情要做了，你不要把你的燈放在角落裡，或藏在沙發下。
Are you better now. How are you? Good. Are you alright now? You, good. David?
David: Yes I am, Mother.
Shri Mataji: Oh. That David also is he alright?
瑜伽士︰我在想你說的話，我們怎能幫助生來有自覺的人？他們不輕易接受別人的好意，他們不會來霎哈嘉瑜伽。我們怎能幫助他們？
瑪塔吉︰他們要自己幫自己，不要在意他們。Now this Mr. Gent [said as in “get”] of yours or Gent [said as in “jet”] or whatever his name is. He’s trying to study all the four這個男士，他想學習…你怎樣稱這個瑜伽，他在做什麽？這是偉大的瑜伽，全都在內裡，他必須來，他不想與我見面，在逃避，你又能對他做什麽？看看他們，他更偏向超意識，對嗎？拉加瑜伽(RajaYoga)和其他瑜伽全都是騙子，全是謬論。 That’s not Raja Yoga at all! It’s all misappropriation and, I don’t know what to call it like…有次有人告訴我，是用梵文寫下來︰當靈量昇起，她變成Kriyavati，Gyanavati，意思是她變得活躍—變得活躍，拉加瑜伽的說法是當你的靈量昇起，你會像猴子般跳躍，不是這樣，它的意思是當你變得活躍，你開始提昇別人的靈量。這就是他們為何建立了很大地方的所謂拉加瑜伽，他們說這是拉加瑜伽。
瑜伽士︰母親，我們能否在別人不知情下提昇他的靈量？
瑪塔吉︰可以，可以，你可以提昇，但…。
瑜伽士︰這樣做較容易，因為有些人，雖然看到霎哈嘉瑜伽美麗之處，卻拒絶來霎哈嘉瑜伽，或與它有任何接觸。
瑪塔吉︰你提昇他們的靈量，他們慢慢就會來，可是，他們要知道自己有自覺，這是必須的。
瑜伽士︰他們知道，我遇過一些人，他們感到自己很差，他們說自己仍未準備好接受霎哈嘉瑜伽。
瑪塔吉︰你要說︰「你怎樣判斷自己？」你也可以這樣說︰「我常常都說…說同一樣事情，這是潮流。現在，不管你是否準備好，審判的時刻已經來臨。」沒有人會把他們從墳墓裡拉出來，審判他們。
瑜伽士︰那麽我們能否只把…。
瑪塔吉︰你就留給我們去看你是否受判斷…你是否準備好。這全是潮流，這是新類型。「我們未準備好，我是很壞的母親，我一無事處，我沒用。」
瑜伽士︰母親，他們一些人很年青，他們感到，若接近神，作為年青人，他們會失去自由，你明白，要漫不經心的對他們說是很困難的…我在說人的純真…。
瑪塔吉︰這就是問題，你要告訴他們…你要明白，自由和放任是不同的，這是兩回事，我們要明白，就如你手上拿著風箏，對嗎？風箏在你手裡，若你容許風箏隨處飛，這是放任。自由是你調動它，控制它，以你喜歡的方式運用它，這就是自由。那麽你是自由的，若你在一些人手上…毫無根基的隨意漫遊…這就是放任，若是這樣，隨之而來的常常是懲罰。就如你會驚訝於西方國家，有很多陽痿的人，難以置信的高，就像這樣。他們對性談得太多，性要談嗎？這是不能成事，很多陽痿的病例在西方國家發生。這種污穢的疾病是由任意的性行為所引致，很大百分比，我們要阻止這種情況發生。若有人說︰「請給我自由，讓我把雙手放進電線裡。」這是自由嗎？我不明白，他們享受的是怎樣的自由。因為妒忌，你不能與很多女孩交往，因為妒忌，你不能與很多男孩交往，你要明白，可能有謀殺案發生。為何這些日子人們要殺人？他們的自我受傷害，即使有這種情況，你看一些戲劇…你會很驚訝，常常有種感覺…沒有人說︰「好吧，你有男朋友？照辦吧，我很快樂。」我不曾聽任何人這樣說，沒有人喜歡這樣，這樣帶來傷害！他們秘密的去做，不會公開。若這是自由，理應能公開，這有什麽秘密，他們向與他們有關連的人隱瞞這種關係，只秘密的去做。這樣不好，他們在欺騙自己，欺騙另一個人，欺騙的行為！
這是沒有自由。就如有賊走進來，想拿走一點物品，他說︰「我有拿走東西的自由。」就像這樣。若你把目光放在某個屬於別人的人身上，你就是在盜竊。在登記辦公室裡說，這屬於我，那就是我的。同樣，在登記辦公室說你是某某的妻子，你的丈夫就是主人，或你是你的丈夫的主人。我是說這是兩人之間的關係。例如有某種關係像賊一樣建立起來，你只能秘密的進行，你明白我說的重點嗎？這不能在任何地方登記，不然他們就變得絶對無恥，絶對放任，全部人最終都在四十五歲進孤兒院，看上去很老，破爛不堪，孤僻，受人排斥，還有什麽，受人切割的人。要應對實相，必須要強烈，即使愛也要強烈，不然你只是愚弄自己，在玩把戲。你看他們只是想玩把戲，這不能為他們帶來什麽，這不是自由，是愚蠢的行為，是愚弄自己，只是認同自己。自由的意思是去除自我，而不是去除智慧。
瑜伽士︰母親，我們有沒有殺死惡魔的力量？
瑪塔吉︰當然有，你們已經殺死很多惡魔，這是你擁有最低限度的力量。
Sahaja Yogini: [INAUDIBLE – something to do with using “mardini” from the negativity destroying mantras together with someone’s name?]
瑪塔吉︰你向任何人唸誦mardini這句口訣，就這樣。就像這樣︰我有資格，就是我殺死他們，我有資格，若你唸誦我的名號，我已經取得權力，他們就完蛋了，他們所有力量都失掉，你運用這些力量，你已獲授權，不然你怎樣拯救這些練習超覺靜坐，練習不同功法的人？可憐的傢伙，可怕惡魔緊握著他們。
瑜伽士︰他們完蛋了，不會以另一形相再來？
瑪塔吉︰不會，我是說…你要明白他們有很多不同風格，你肯定殺掉他們一些人。就像在戰場裡中，明白嗎？你在殺敵，你殺死第一個，接著第二個士兵，第三個士兵，第四個士兵，就像這樣。
瑜伽士︰母親，鞋打法對阻塞得很厲害的人和被鬼附的人有什麽效用？我們應否鞋打這些人…。
瑪塔吉︰不要，我們要把興趣轉移一點，給他們相片，讓相片來為他們潔淨，若他們對相片不感興趣，就忘記這個人吧。你不應關心對相片不感興趣的人，這是最佳的途徑，為何不必要的浪費自己的精力？
瑜伽士︰若這些人與我們有直接接觸，例如他們與我們一起生活，那該怎麽辦？我們只是不能不理他們。
瑪塔吉︰不，若他們對此事不聽你的話，你要嘗試與他們斷絶來往，也要告訴我他們的名字，我來處理。
Sahaja Yogini: I’m telling You the names to get rid of it?
[Laughter]
Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Give Me in writing, you see. Give Me in writing and give Me a photograph. Then I’ll manage.
Sahaja Yogi: I’m living with some
Shri Mataji: Hum?
Sahaja Yogi: I’m living with some.
Shri Mataji: Alright? You give Me the names.
[Shri Mataji laughs]
Sahaja Yogi: No Ma, I’ve been living with them for six years.
Shri Mataji: Yes, but you give Me the names, and the thing, I’ll manage them.
Can I have my sweater, it’s here.
Sahaja Yogi: No, I mean there’s no need Mother.
Shri Mataji: Hum?
Sahaja Yogi: There’s no need, You know?
Shri Mataji: There’s no need at all. Forget them. You see no need to do that, firstly. Secondly is that you learn you see they’re a good subject to learn. You see otherwise how will you know what sort of people they are?
Sahaja Yogi: All right.
Shri Mataji: My sweater? Oh, there…
What’s happening to the biryani? The first attempt was biryani, [Mother laughs] and they asked Me the recipe, and – God save them – I told them that “don’t try all these things,” but they said “No. we’ll do it.” So, they must have done something. Just give Me.)
You see among yourself only you can find out. Just now they say “How Kuli has answered the question.” Just don’t worry. (Who is there?) You are living with stones and you are living with so many other things. This…
Sahaja Yogini [Italian]: But, don’t You think Mother of the children? Through their innocence they have more chances to get their Realization faster than the adults?
Shri Mataji: Children?
Sahaja Yogini: Yes.
Shri Mataji: Yes they can. But I mean, some children can be very nasty, can be horrible.
Can you close the window?
Sahaja Yogi: shut the curtain rather.
Shri Mataji: Better, let him do it. No-no I think better [unclear words]. Sit down, sit down. Kya hala tumhara. Aap teek ho gay?
Rustom: Abhi Ma. Almost. Hundred percent.
Shri Mataji Acha? Hundred percent. Sab pal tumha kya ha le. Aap teek ho gay? Bal tum lo gay si dira dev chalte ho…
[…Mother continues in Hindi and calls in Marathi to the Maharashtrians at the back of the room]
They can’t hear Me. [Marathi words]
Rustom: Mataji, shall we bring the khana here before Your feet?
Shri Mataji: Ha?
Rustom: Shall we bring the food before Your feet?
Shri Mataji: Kya what is it?
Rustom: Shall we bring the food here, before Your feet?
Shri Mataji: All right, if you want to. There’s no need. You do one thing, you take it.
Sahaja Yogi [offering food]: Mix something with it?
Shri Mataji: No that’s all. Can I give it in something so that you can…just pour it in. Yes please.
Sahaja Yogi [French]: Peter is back.
Shri Mataji: [Marathi words]. Very well done. Rustom? You have done it very well.
Rustom: The ladies should be thanked Mother. Maureen and Cathy.
Shri Mataji: Very good. Little salt is needed.
Rustom: Ah, that’s true. I thought so too.
Shri Mataji: Very well done.
Nichessa purani kallo? [Marathi words] That is how we all meet and love each other and -nice isn’t it.
Sahaja Yogi [Patrice]: Djamel is going to have an army of Ayatollahs on their backs.
[Laughter]
Djamel: No, no, I’m trying to suggest the ideology around here, because all the Ayatollahs are going to be trapped by the Americans.
Shri Mataji: You know but, I must say I was surprised – thanks to you – that your President has done something about it. He’s very much different. You know, he has helped President Carter in some way, because President Carter has thanked him very much. Your President. Algerian.
Djamel: Not supporting the-
Shri Mataji: No he has said something by which he, I don’t know, for some “unknown reasons” they wrote, that President Carter thanked the President of Algeria.
But what do you think about this mosque? What are they doing there?
Who could these be people?
Patrice: It’s a new messiah. Mother. one more.
Djamel: I think they’re probably from the Muslim Brothers you know they…
Shri Mataji: From the?
Djamel: There’s a sect called the “Muslim Brothers” you see they’re very extremist
Shri Mataji: More than these?
Djamel: Oh, of course. More than these Ayatollahs.
Shri Mataji: They are from what country, from…?
Djamel: Oh, they’re everywhere, mainly in Egypt.
Sahaja Yogi1: Egypt,
Shri Mataji: But Egyptians are against this.
Djamel: We have them mostly in Algeria, but they are not regarded, well regarded by people also
Shri Mataji: What do they do, murders and things?
Djamal: No, they just have their own fanatic ways, you see? And sometimes they can be violent. Like in Egypt, they have been very violent.
Shri Mataji: Acha. I mean they have those weapons and things with them?
Djamel: No Not, not, not generally no. But they are capable, yeach. If someone tries to lead them, to lead them or something or other they can…
Shri Mataji: Like we had…
Djamel: Organizing of so many coup d’Etats, you see.
Shri Mataji: [To someone else] But dhal has salt quite a lot, tell them. So if you mix it up with dhal, you need not have salt.
Something like “Anand Marg” we had in India?
Djamel: But nobody, in Algeria, nobody really likes the Iranians anymore.
Shri Mataji: Ah?
Djamel: They don’t like this Ayatollah anymore.
Shri Mataji: I think so…
Djamel: They think…
Shri Mataji: I mean they have really insulted God!
Djamel: I mean… He thinks God is only for the Muslims, you know.
Shri Mataji: Oh look at our Pakistanis. You know Americans always supported Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis against India. Americans always have a speciality of always supporting wrong people.
[Laughter]
Then they withdraw, but always I don’t know why they do it.
Djamel: Mother, you see why, because the Muslims usually are against the Russians you see, so they like the Muslims. But then you see, ? Vietnam? did not work out.
Shri Mataji: Ah.
Djamel: You see Communism supposed to stand for atheism.
Shri Mataji: Acha.
No, it’s a very generalized way of saying, that, because they are Muslims, they will be against Russians or they will be for Russians for Americans.
Sahaja Yogi: The majority are against the Russians because they…I mean they’re against…’cause when You were saying…
Shri Mataji: Because they don’t believe in religion.
Sahaja Yogi: Yea…Whenever someone says “Communism,” automatically its…
Sahaja Yogini: Atheism…yea.
Shri Mataji: But, against India, they have been always. Americans have been very much against India, and against favoring these two countries in the international fields. Even Ceylon…
Sahaja Yogi: Will be supporting…
Shri Mataji: Even Ceylon, you know. They created all enemies for India to deal with.
If fearing God, fearing people are to be supported, then Indians are very God-fearing.
Americans are not.
Sahaja Yogini [Italian]: Mother, can we use some of that salt for our food?
Shri Mataji: Hum?
Sahaja Yogini: Can we use some of that salt?
Shri Mataji: Nicely made. Eh?
Sahaja Yogini: Yeach.
Shri Mataji: They wrote down they whole thing.
Sahaja Yogi [French]: It’s the first puja where we sing something properly Mother.
Shri Mataji: Hm?
Sahaja Yogi2: It was the first puja here where we sung something properly.
Shri Mataji: Gavin practices. I was so enamored and so much, I must say very pleasantly surprised, the way you sung the Marathi aarti. How did you get it? I’m just…
Sahaja Yogini: When we were in India we got it.
Shri Mataji: Aacha.
Gavin: We also had a tape, so we checked.
Shri Mataji: Good. What about these Maharashtrian ladies. Have they gone? Or they are there?
Sahaja Yogi: Yea they were
Shri Mataji: Ha?
Sahaja Yogi: No, they at the back Mother.
Shri Mataji: They have brought something […Mother converses briefly in Marathi with those at the back…] Every body should have something to eat.
Nabhi is very much vibrating. Lower Nabhi.
Kuli, some water for Me, to drink. Water.
Sahaja Yogi: Mother. How can we help people who are born Realized, who meditate with the photograph but cannot feel the vibrations.
Shri Mataji: Can’t feel?
Sahaja Yogi: Can’t feel the cool breeze.
Shri Mataji: How do you say he’s born Realized.
Sahaja Yogi: feel cool from on the palm from there.
Shri Mataji: Ha?
Sahaja Yogi: I feel cool on the palms from this person.
Shri Mataji: But he doesn’t. If he doesn’t accept Me, he cannot feel the cool breeze from Me.
Sahaja Yogi [Scottish?]: This particular person has got the cool breeze, once or twice, the cool. Just feel it and then not very…
Shri Mataji: That means he has to accept Me much more.
Sahaja Yogi: Pardon?
Shri Mataji: He has to accept Me. He has to accept Me much more.
Sahaja Yogi: That may be the problem Mother, but this person hasn’t actually had the chance to meet You yet.
Shri Mataji: If that’s all, then he will get it when he’ll meet Me.
Sahaja Yogi: I mean he’s vegetarian.
Shri Mataji: You see, when he’ll meet Me, he has to accept Me. If he doesn’t accept Me he cannot get cool breeze. Deities know. Deities know about it.
I’ll tell you a simple example: We had a visitor in our house, his name wa, what was it? “Shaha.” What was his name, Mukud? Your friend.
Sahaja Yogi: Mukuncha
Shri Mataji: Mukuncha, Mukuncha. He had his Realization and everything, he was a Sahaj Yogi, came to see Me but I was having My bath. So he went upstairs and this Ganesha was kept there. And he started feeling his own vibrations, he never got any vibrations, nothing. He was surprised, he got a shock. He thought that “what has happened” has he lost all his vibrations? And Ganesha would not give any vibrations to him.
So he came down, I’d finished My bath, he said, “Mother, I don’t know. What is what I did,” He didn’t even touch My feet he was so frightened. “I’ve lost my vibrations; I can’t feel any vibrations from Ganesha!” I said ‘Really?” He said “Yes.” I said “You touch My feet and now go and see.” He touched My feet; he went up, and the vibrations were alright. I said “He knows Me. You must touch My feet first otherwise He’s not going to give you vibrations too.”
Sahaja Yogi: This person now I was talking about Mother, lives in Scotland, quite a long way off – so it’s difficult. But they, they not well-off. They’re on social security. So, this person can’t come down to see you.
Shri Mataji: I’ll go to Glasgow, some day. And tell him to accept Me, more and more. Then his conditions will improve. Why is he on social security?
Sahaja Yogi: It’s a lady, and her husbands on social security. He’s deaf and it’s difficult for him to get a job in Scotland.
Shri Mataji: Haven’t they got a job? They should try for a job. Also social security people don’t get vibrations. Very true. You see, you are not to be parasite on your society.
Yogi: He’s not a parasite Mother. He trying to get jobs there. But, because of his infirmity, his deafness.
Shri Mataji: No once in a while is alright if you…but you must be trying for a job, I mean he shouldn’t like that kind of a life. Alright? So you tell him both the things, that “You must find out a good job for yourself”, as well as – in this country is not difficult to make money, really not too difficult.
Sahaja Yogi: It is in Scotland, it’s more difficult than it is here, Mother.
Shri Mataji: No, I mean –
Sahaja Yogi: …shortage of jobs there. Specially for people…
Shri Mataji: Even if you do baby-sitting, you can make money here. You can. You see if you want to live on…because of the social thing you have got it, you depend on it.
Sahaja Yogi: I’ll tell them Mother to do about it
Shri Mataji: But don’t tell him like that, he’ll feel hurt. You just tell him that “Mataji was saying ‘you should try to accept Me more’ and I’ll get him a job also.” He will find his job.
(Can I wash, wipe My hands)
Sahaja Yogi: Actually, it’s the wife who was meditating, and her husband I think is born Realized too, but, he doesn’t meditate regularly. But he’s got the cool breeze.
Shri Mataji: Oh I see. He’ll come round, don’t you worry. What’s his name?
Sahaja Yogi: The husband’s name is Tom.
Shri Mataji: Tom.
Sahaja Yogi: The wife is Jetta.
Shri Mataji: What’s it?
Sahaja Yogi: The wife is Jetta.
Shri Mataji: Jetta. Alright. You see they have to accept Me, that’s the only thing is. Many people, They get vibrations, say, from Gavin, but not from Me. There are some like that!
Kuli: Sorry, Mataji?
Shri Mataji: Hum.
Kuli: I said to one man, “see if you can feel the vibrations from this photograph?” you see? He said “No, I don’t believe in photographs.” So as a joke, then I said to him, see if you can feel them from Me?” He was willing to that, but he wasn’t willing to put his hands to the photograph.
Shri Mataji: See! He, Gavi, he’s telling us a concrete result. He’s saying that there was someone whom he said that “Why don’t you see your vibrations from the photograph ? If you get the vibrations.” Then he said “I don’t believe in photographs, I’ll not feel it.” So he said “Alright, you put your hands towards me if you get the cool breeze. He put his hands to Kuli but he would not put to the photograph. Though Kuli would put his hands but he would not.
Kuli: You know I said to him “I got it from the photograph,” and he wouldn’t put his hands to the photograph.
Shri Mataji [laughing]: Typical. We have another one in India. Like Rajesh. He has got two sister-in-laws and they said that “we feel cool breeze from you, but not from [the photograph] …
- H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi